Okay, so I tried to breastfeed. I really tried. Really really really. But the baby was about ten days old, losing weight and the doctors pretty much told me that unless I gave her 'some' formula then I would damage her kidneys. Great. So I did.
Aaaaaand, I think that's one of the main reasons that my breastfeeding got bollocksed up.
Well, I have some medical issues which may also be implicated but we'll never really know if the baby hadn't been introduced to a bottle ('hello Babybear' 'hello Bottle') whether we might have been able to get my supply up a bit more. As it was, with feeding round the clock, domperidone medication and yield tests (expressing every two hours for 48 hours - what fun), combined with the expertise of one of the best breastfeeding specialists in the country, fenugreek, Guinness, other stuff I took that I can't remember.... I managed to get up to about 30% of what she needed per day and so we did mixed feeding (otherwise known as the worst of both worlds) for 17 weeks. It wasn't perfect, but I really loved it. And I think I went a wee bit mental, which helped.
People talk about 'nipple confusion' but I don't think Babybear was in
the slightest bit confused. She knew that the bottle was easier and so
she slowly took less and less from me, therefore stimulating me less so the whole thing kinda petered out. Gutted doesn't touch it. I was heartbroken. That's why I put myself (and Babybear, if I'm honest) through the mill about it for such a long time. I was so sad when it stopped, so humiliated to pull out my formula bottle in cafes etc and it totally got me down. Still does, when I think about it, which I try not to.
Anyway, onwards and upwards, yes? If I can't breastfeed then I'm sure as dammit going to see to it that she enjoys a healthy and varied diet...
So I look at weaning material online and pretty much everything talks about transitioning from breastfeeding to solids. I understand that the advice has to be pro-breastfeeding, but it rather seems to defeat the point of trying to create a strong and positive lifelong relationship with food for our babies if those of us who couldn't or didn't want to breastfeed feel excluded when it comes to the next stage. Is it a class thing? Are formula feeders, having 'opted' for a processed solution to milk feeding just supposed to head for the jarred food section of the supermarket until the babies are old enough for turkey twizzlers? (Not that jars are inherently evil, don't want to hurt anyone's feelings but... oh you know what I mean.)
Then one day I was chatting with my rather marvelous ante-natal class chums and someone mentions baby led weaning and Gill Rapley. Really? No purees? Straight onto solids? Hhhmmmmm, sounds interesting...
At first I found it incredibly difficult to find written material (hence this blog, ladies) but when I did, on some crazy Dutch website, inevitably came the warning.
"Parents who are bottle feeding their baby should also consult with their health advisers, for the reasons outlined below.
It is not clear whether a baby-led approach to the introduction of
solids is appropriate for babies who are bottle fed; more research is
needed to establish this, since bottle-feeding seems to be more
mother-led. It is difficult to make predictions about how bottle-fed
babies will manage solids, so we need to be careful. However, as long
as care is taken to ensure an adequate fluid intake, there
would seem to be nothing inherently wrong in adopting this approach. It
is recommended that parents of babies who are being bottle (formula)
fed discuss the matter fully with their health advisers if they wish to
use this method."
Oh yeah. I forgot. I jam bottles down my baby's throat regardless of whether or not she wants it. In fact, I schedule her feeds solely to coincide with my soaps on the telly and the sooner she learns how to boil the kettle so she can make her mother a cuppa, the better.
Ach, I know that's not really what it says, in fact I think it's phrased rather well in a manner that is clearly designed to play it cagey while not ruling out baby led weaning for formula feeders, but when you've tried and 'failed' to breastfeed it doesn't take much to kick you in the chops. And the advice to ask our health advisers..? Fine, but what if they say 'I've never heard of it. Sounds unusual. Don't they choke? I wouldn't do it myself. Do you want a free pack of baby rice?'
So here's what I think. It's not medical advice, it's just my feeling on the matter.
I can see the point that if you do keep to a strict schedule then your baby might be unaccustomed to regulating their own appetite... but I'm not 100 per cent sure I buy it. Maybe it's just my daughter, but I can't get her to drink half an ounce more than she wants to, and she will make herself perfectly clear if she fancies some milk at any time. I haven't met anyone who feeds specific amounts at specific times, and certainly any reading material I have is quite clear about the necessity to demand feed with formula.
From my experience, therefore, I would say that if you are demand formula feeding I can't see what the problem would be. (Frankly if you aren't I can't see what the problem would be if you were scheduled so long as you were able to cede control to the baby, but it's not something I've done so I can't really comment.)
With regards to the water issue, my daughter really didn't drink much of it to begin with but I made sure it was always available as the formula is unchanging whereas breastmilk has a lipsmackingthirstquenching effect, so too much formula liquid can lead to over-feeding. It took a while and a massive heatwave to get her going with water, and she now drinks from a Tommee Tippee cup while we're out and a shot glass in the house. With varied results...
To be honest, I don't think that Babybear is drinking less milk than she used to, we've just incorporated the solids into her usual intake. (We normally make up about 6-sh bottles of 7 ounces per day, and she drinks what she wants of them. Sometimes loads, sometimes hardly any. She's obviously growing fine so I think what's happening is that the solids are supplementing her feeds so the milk isn't going up but her meal time consumption is. )
So I know this is quite the rant, and to anyone who managed to get to the end of it, well done. All you breastfeeders out there, keep it up, you're doing a grand job, really, and to the formula feeders considering baby led weaning... don't worry, everything's going to be fine.
Post Script
Guess who left a message on the main page? Gill Rapley, that's who. Wasn't that kind? In case you didn't see it, here's what she wrote.
Hi to everyone! Amazingly I have only just learned about this blog - I
think it's great! I'm looking forward to reading everything! For now, I
just want to comment on the rant about formula feeding:
I'm delighted you've raised this. Personally, I have little doubt
that babies who have been formula-fed are just as capable of
self-weaning as those who have been breastfed. My hesitation in saying
so in public stems from the fact that I am working in the world of
academics and health professionals. In that world, any new drug,
procedure or idea has to have a research evidence base to substantiate
it before it is accepted - common sense is not enough. This is a safety
feature - just in case there could be a hidden danger. If I step
outside that I will not be taken seriously by people who, if they are
convinced, have the potential to share the BLW message with lots of
parents. So, since my own small piece of research was done using
breastfed babies, I am not able to make assertions that are more
general. You, as mothers, are perfectly free to state what makes
logical sense - and I thank you for doing so!
One final small note: I hoped to publish my research in 2003 (as
mentioned on your home page) but in fact have still not done so! (I am
about to re-submit it to a journal after making amendments to the
write-up.) I have, however, had a chapter published in an erudite book
and am in the process of making a video about BLW. Watch this space!
Best regards to all of you, Gill Rapley
Hooray!
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Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Morv
on Fri 08 Sep 2006 00:39 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Hi Aitch, just got the end of your rant, well I drifted a bit in the middle (only kidding). The thing about blw is responding to your baby We respond to our baby when they want milk and as far as I understand things babies will adjust their milk/solid intake no matter where their milk comes from. At least you know Aitch you are a trailblazer and I salute you.
Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Morv
on Fri 08 Sep 2006 00:57 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
P.S. shouldn't that be - Babybear with me.......
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har har.
and yes... me, a trailblazer... i do prefer that to 'breastfeeding failure' i must admit. I totally agree though, if we're responding to our baby's needs as and when, then that's what we are doing and can therefore continue to do. Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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collymags
on Fri 13 Jul 2007 20:21 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
hi lass, i know this is like a year on,nearly from your original rant, but oh my god did you sound like me. i was in a similar situation, had my heart set on bf really didn't know any different thanks to friends and family. but i really went through the mill birth wise and immediately afterwards ended up on drugs(no not the nice class a ones ... only joking) prescribed ones for the first 5 weeks of my little ones life, she was only gaining between 1 to 3 ounzes weekly so advised by heaps of health professionals to supplement, (like you said the worst thing ever) she would get so frustrated and upset with me for not supplying such a good flow as the bottle it was heart breaking to hold her, hungry yet not satisfy her. i hated going out and feeding her for fear of being judged, yes yes yes i know breast is best, but only when they work and your baby thrives. i so wanted to wear a sandwich board saying i did try honest. swapping over there was no advise. i still wanted her on demand but not overfed, eventually we worked it out, and she takes between 4 - 6 bottles of vaying amounts she certainly lets me know when she's finished we have no set pattern or routine, just take it from when she wakes. interesting about the water, naughty mum here, never really gave it much thought, think i'll go get her a cup in the next couple of days
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LOL at your sandwich board. i thought of knitting a jumper with the same message. and see what happens if you let her loose with a cm or so of water in a shot glass... she might just surprise you. (while soaking herself in the process, so do it at night rather than lunchtime).
Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Anonymous
on Thu 31 May 2007 20:49 BST | Permanent Link
I just wanted to say to all you mums who are ff - breastfeeding can be so difficult and downright impossible for some people. There's a lot of poor advice given and often lack of specialist support. I've managed to exclusively breastfeed my lo but have had such a difficult time (blocked ducts x3 and breast abcess x2) - I've so nearly given up (and I work within the field of BF and STILL had these problems!!!!!). I've seen some mums struggle so much with BF I've wanted to weep - I honestly didn't know how they kept going.
Yes, breastfeeding is great, natural etc etc etc - but I think there comes a point where having a happy mum who can develop a bond with her baby is sometimes more important. Please don't feel any regret for ff. I always felt glad that I was BF myself as a baby - I'm hardly ever ill, was always in the top stream for all lessons in school - am sporty and fit. However, I only found out a few weeks ago when i spoke to my mum about it - 'Breast fed? Where on earth did you get that idea???? Oh no - I put you straight on the bottle - but you were so hungry by 2 weeks - I then put you straight onto full fat milk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' Hmmmmmm. I think it's great that ff mums go ahead and BLW their babies - it's a shame that there isn't any research to support it - however, doesn't it seem like common sense???? Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Rachel
on Fri 08 Sep 2006 15:11 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Aitch - stop all this self-flagellation! You did the best you could, in fact I think you went far past the point where most people would have stopped. Babybear will be fine. I still feel bad (for a slightly different reason) that my LO was tube fed formula when he was born (it was heart-breaking, he kept ripping it out and they kept ramming it in) because he was 10lb 4 and his blood sugars were very low. If I hadn't already bf 3 babies I would have stopped there and then. You are doing brilliantly by giving Babybear good natural foods. It's no good bf for 6 months if you are going to give them crap for the next 17 1/2 years!
Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Blackalice
on Fri 08 Sep 2006 16:15 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Hi Aitch
I've been looking out for this rant since you told me you were planning it on a message board. I am a failed BF who also felt very guilty and upset when BLW just went on about BF. As you say FF (who are the majority!) should be encouraged to make future foods as healthy and baby led as possible. In an ideal world baby A would've been BF for longer than the week we managed, but medical and psychological reasons prevented it and I've put my time in in the Guilt Dungeons, so let's try and make his future feeding as healthy as possible! After all, we eat solids for far longer than we drink breast milk or formula. Let's hope your blog encourages FF to adopt BLW too. Beck and Alfie (23 weeks and starting BLW very soon!) Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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beachcomber
on Fri 08 Sep 2006 20:33 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Aitch, I was so moved by this post I have joined up especially to be able to tell you how much i admire your honesty, your approach to parenting and your writing. I only found this blog yesterday (through google if you're interested) and already it has given me tons of brilliant info, inspiration, belly laughs and a new perspective on the bf/ff thing.
Looking forward to putting some of the ideas you and everyone else have given me into practice with my wee guy in 6 weeks or so...if I can hold out...got some health visitor issues, but that's another story! Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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janey
on Fri 08 Sep 2006 21:34 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Hey Aitch,
i replied to your post to the yahoo forum by mistake (was trying just to email you and it went to all the group, not really with it right now, so excuse my web fumblings and i hope i havnt confused too many people apart from myself that it, Jane (mum to Isabelle) Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
Thanks very much for all your comments, I am genuinely touched by your kindness. And I do know it isn't a piece of piss to breastfeed even if you can manage to do it successfully... honest injun I do.
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Anonymous
on Mon 23 Oct 2006 20:17 BST | Permanent Link
Hi Aitch,
THanks for your post. I came across this blog when I was panicking that Grace (AKA the pumpkin), the independant little miss that she is, refused anything mush-like from a spoon. I researched BLW but thought I couldnt do it because I was a ff. I too had problems with bf and had the worst of both worlds for 6 weeks when I gave up the bf due to sheer exahuastion. All that feeding, pumping, sterlizing, feeding, pumping...... Anyway, I digress. Your posts have given me the confidence to go for BLW and so far Grace has "eaten" broccili, toast, cheese, carrots, swede, mango, pear, avacado, banana and potatos. As a little test I offered her some mush from a spoon and she gave me that "you have got to be having a laugh, Eat that when I can eat proper food" look. So thanks, and don't beat yourself up. I understand about the cafe thing. My low point was getting out a bottle after a baby massage class whilst 8 other mums got their boobs out. Tracy Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
Hurrah! Another FFer doing BLW, I love it. This whole FF/BLW thing is a real hobbyhorse of mine, Tracy - I promise you that I beat myself up less and less about it every day and posts like yours really help. thanks.
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Blackalice
on Tue 24 Oct 2006 10:11 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Hi Tracy
It's great to see another FF doing BLW :) I'm soooo glad I did it. To be honest, I've never met so many BFers until I started looking into BLW! I live in a very "middle class" area (ie full of snobs LOL!) and all my friends are professionals in their careers but nearly everyone FFs. A couple of friends BF but they are minority, and I've never been given funny looks for FF when out. The only guilt trips I've had for BF going belly up (I so identified with your feed, pump, sterilise, feed thing!) is from myself! Anyway, I'm rambling like a fool (sorry Aitch - sleep deprivation - was up giving bottle at 1am and he's nearly 7 months for goodness sake!). Just wanted to echo Aitch's happiness that more FF are shunning the mush. Keep up the good work! Beck xxx Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
Ladies,
wasn't it feed, pump, drink a gallon of water, wash all the blooming fiddly bits of the pump along with the bottles and teats etc, sterilise, put all those bits back together, feed, pump, drink a gallon of water, wash all the blooming fiddly bits of the pump along with the bottles and teats etc, sterilise, put all those bits back together, feed, pump, drink a gallon of water, wash all the blooming fiddly bits of the pump along with the bottles and teats etc, sterilise, put all those bits back together, feed etcetera etcetera? I'm sure that's how I remember it... happy days. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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tracyj
on Wed 25 Oct 2006 20:41 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Yes, you are right. Sterlizing that bloody pump. Mine wouldn't fit in with the Dr Brown's bottles I bought out of guilt so it was utterly endless.
You have forgotten a bit though. Between the fiddly bits and the water drinking you had to find time to give yourself 10 lashings! Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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LRWG
on Tue 31 Oct 2006 09:41 GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
Only ten lashes... I seem to remember more!! So nice to know I'm not the only 'failure' - LOL! Don't you just love people's attitudes. Saying that, I did the guilt thing soooo well that even my midwife begged me to FF!
Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Anonymous
on Thu 02 Nov 2006 22:07 GMT | Permanent Link
I also ended up ff after some of the worst weeks of my life bf... and there you have the crux of it, I think. We all feel like we 'failed' at bf so are obsessing about feeding our babies well now that we can finally do so.
Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
very sorry to hear you had a crummy time bfing, it's the pits, isn't it? but don't you feel so much better about it now that we can actually take positive steps? i really do, and hope you will too.
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Anonymous
on Tue 28 Nov 2006 17:32 GMT | Permanent Link
Hi Aitch
Just dropping in to let you know I'm joining you as a formula feeder. I've just found out I'm pregnant and it's just too much hassle expressing at work for the paltry amount I'm getting. I'll BF morning and night until TheBubs is a year (January) and then knock it on the head all together. I'm quite sad about it, especially as her nappies are DISGUSTING smelling now. I can also dispell the myth some hvs put about that giving formula will help them sleep through the night. Oh No. At least DH can do it now! JennT Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
oh my lord that is AMAZING news. not the ffing... you are PREGNANT again?! how wonderful, how thrilling, how terrifying... i am so jealous. my sister and i have only two years between us and i love it, i often forget she's my wee sister she's such a good friend.
and yes, the ff nappies do smell vile, don't they? keep up the good work, Jenn, you've done brilliantly getting this far with bfing. Oh my blimming God, congratulations again. Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Anonymous
on Sat 30 Dec 2006 10:21 GMT | Permanent Link
I am bottle feeding and my son won't open his mouth for food on a spoon, I have been trying for over 3 weeks and short of holding his nose (I won't unless he's malnourished!) i didn't know what else to try, I am so pleased I found this blog.
Aitch, I stopped breastfeeding at 5 weeks - my son screamed to go on the breast all day and when I did put him on he started to scream after about 10 minutes, but still wanted to feed? I felt like I was going crazy, he wasn't enjoying himself, breast feeding councillors just moaned abou the position he was in, when I tried their way he screamed even more. I gave up because it was making me and him miserable, he was much happier with a bottle, 8 weeks later he was finally diagnosed with reflux, which accounted for all the screaming and constant feeding early on and why bottle feeding was much better - he was more upright. We all know breastfeeding is best, however it isn't best for all mums and babies, like you I felt incredibly guilty, but why? My decision helped to relieve my baby's suffering and made him much happier. I think some health professionals and organisations push BF too hard, You felt so stongly about BF, that your baby was losing weight and in danger of liver failure, do you think you would have used formula sooner if we weren't under so much pressure to BF, would your baby have suffered less? I felt really sad / cross about BF pressure when I read your blog. Don't feel guilty for a single second, your actions stopped your baby's suffering too. I put some banana on Edison's tray this morning while we ate our breakfast, he knocked a bit off and that was all the interest he showed, it's going to be a long hard road I think, still this blog gives me hope! Nicola Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
Hi Nicola, I'm glad to say that I'm mostly over the whole BFing trauma now that weaning has gone quite well for us. I didn't really think that Babybear was suffering, to be honest, everyone kept saying how bright and alert she was and how she was clearly not in any pain, so I think that's why I was pissed off that they still told me to give her formula. That's not the same thing as a reflux-y baby, my friend's wee boy was in agony so I can understand where you're coming from.
DO NOT sweat it that little Edison (cool name, btw) isn't that fussed about food at the moment. There is a Yahoo newsgroup (that I currently can't sign into cos I've forgotten my password) which acknowledges that a lot of the babies didn't really get the hang of eating until near enough 12 months, I think that info is in the BLW FAQ on here. And of course the good thing about BLW is that you just give them more milk until they start to feed themselves. Babybear is still very up and down at a year, dependent on teething. So this week he knocked off the banana, that's progress. Tomorrow he might play with is a bit, and the next day he might eat some... Although as I recall Babybear didn't like banana in the beginning as she found it too tricky to hold onto. We started off eating things in front of her with her on our knees and waiting until she swiped some. Fresh apricots were a particular favourite as I recall. Anyway, glad to have you here, and hope that your son's reflux gets better with food. So long as you keep repeating the mantra 'until they're one it's just for fun' and don't start cutting back on milk there's no reason at all for it to be a long hard road... good luck. Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Anonymous
on Sun 31 Dec 2006 10:04 GMT | Permanent Link
Thanks Aitch, I love the matra, this whole site has stopped me panicking, and made me feel calm and confident. I am slowly working my way through reading all the information, it is so helpful, especially your information that it's OK for bottle feeders too - like you I came across the warning and thought - it's not fair - we're no different!!! I think I have given Edison a food phobia by putting food in his mouth that he wasn't expecting, so it will be hard work, but I will never put anything in his mouth again - except his bottle of course! I like the the on knees idea - he doesn't have good associations with his highchair! We bought some apricots yesterday! Thank you so much for creating this site, it is excellent.
Nicola Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Anonymous
on Sun 31 Dec 2006 10:11 GMT | Permanent Link
by the way - how do I stop being anonymous?
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did you register? i think that's how you do it... if you have done already and it's not working then maybe just try again. this blog software is a bit shite sometimes.
Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
That's my story!
I was determined to breastfeed and then was shocked to find out I didn't produce enough, not even for one baby (and I had to feed twins). Got a specialist to look at it as well, that didn't help either. Got the worst of both worlds for 4 months, then my baby boy started refusing the breast. My girl stayed on for a couple of weeks more, then she refused too. I'm still thinking if there's anything I could have done that would have made it work. On the up side, if I had managed the breastfeeding as well as I thought I was going to, I might have become just a teensy bit conceited. At least now I know it sometimes just does not work. I read the same bit on the Dutch website (after all, I am Dutch). I decided to go ahead with BLW without consulting any health advisers, as I did not expect any real help there. Of course then I felt more insecure because I was doing something in an unadvised way. Luckily, the kids are doing fine so far. I'm happy that I've found this site, with at least some other ff-blw women. And even Gill Rapley approves! Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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mrsb
on Tue 06 Mar 2007 17:56 GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
Hello...me too me too!! I was so sure that breastfeeding would come naturally to me, but Kicky didn't grow and was on formula from 7 weeks. She went through a phase of refusing the breast and I didn't even think I would make it to 3 months, but we've managed to do both up to 9 months now. Definitely made me realise that pride comes before a fall, and made me less superior about formula feeding. Although mixed feeding, as you said, is the worst of both worlds in a way, it's probably contributed to her being such a good sleeper. I know what you mean when you say "I'm still thinking if there's anything I could have done that would have made it work", but I think another lesson I've learned is that you've got to move forward...not an easy thing for me. I was afraid that she would be a "different" baby than she would have been if she'd just been breastfed, but I'm mostly over it now.
The Gill Rapley article suggests that BLW is only good for breast fed babies, which made me feel a bit crappy.... but I'm doing a mix of spoon and finger foods anyway, it suits us fine....I hope that doesn't mean I'm not eligible to post on here! Sorry about the ramble.... Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Katie
on Tue 06 Mar 2007 16:35 GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
thanks so much for this - it's nice to know we're not alone... we had similar medical problems - all the pumping etc was particularly difficult when ds took hours over each feed, hardly slept, and wanted to be held constantly while awake... Got very depressed until discovered (when ds was 5 months) that I had thyroid problems to add to the issues we already knew had caused problems. Still bf at night (and ff too - ds hasn't heard that ff babies sleep through the night) but he's just using me as a dummy really - certainly not getting enough to class as a 'feed' even if he's sucking for hours.
So I'd seen the thing about bf and blw, but ds had other ideas - he won't let anyone feed him, and he didn't like puree when offered the chance to hold the spoon himself! My HV was actually very supportive (she's a gem - I'm lucky), but it's good to hear from others in the same situation Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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HannahBanana
on Tue 06 Mar 2007 21:03 GMT | Permanent Link
Not much that I can add to what you ahve written Aitch as I have come up against a few ladies that think I am wrong for FF and following the baby led weaning route with my daughter. er why?
I could have written your post myself! so won't repeat everything you have written! Just wanted to say I am fully with you! I just spoke to you on mumsnet about it then stumbled across this discussion :o) Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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mrsb
on Wed 07 Mar 2007 21:32 GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
Warning: long self-indulgent post. Nobody needs to read it; I obviously needed to write it for therapeutic reasons, but I hope you don’t mind me posting it, as I thought I might as well in the spirit of solidarity with other ffers. I also hope that it’s OK that a wussy mostly-spoon feeder like me has gatecrashed your site.
In a case of premature posting, I wrote a response only to estherw’s post, not realising there was a whole thread, starting with Aitch's story. So my comment about the Gill Rapley article was totally redundant, as that’s what the whole thread is about. It’s really made me examine my reasons for not BLW-ing, and I think it’s partly because there was so much anxiety about her getting “enough” at the beginning, and every feed seemed like a huge event of enormous importance – even 11 times a day! – that I wouldn’t be able to cope with the uncertainty of how little she might eat. Maybe next time, I’ll be more confident with the “until 1 it’s just for fun” philosophy. If I’m honest, it’s also because I’m really anal and couldn’t bear the mess and the unstructured-ness of playing at mealtimes…yes I’m extremely uptight! But I certainly find it great to be able to give her finger foods while we’re eating and all to eat together, and I totally agree with the philosophy of it. I think you’re very brave Aitch to be blwing after going through bf trauma, but I also see it’s through a strong desire to do the healthiest, most natural thing by your baby. To add my tuppenorth to the whole formula feeding on a schedule and weaning thing, I think you could totally blw and still keep your ff schedule. Kicky is 9 months and has her milk and her meals at quite fixed times, and is always offered the same amount of milk, but she can still let me know how much she wants…. As Aitch says ffers arent’ forcing milk down their babies: after the initial weeks after failed bfing where she was so starving she polished off every bottle, she’s gone through less hungry phases, and it’s clear when she doesn’t want any more. ….OK, I do worry sometimes that I’m overfeeding her….oops this post is turning into a one woman confessional Reading everybody’s posts has really brought back all the trauma....it's amazing how I'd kind of forgotten some of it already; things change so fast. Yes, the shame of bringing out the bottle in a group of bf-ers, the blasted pump....getting up and pumping at 4 in the morning for weeks when Kicky was sleeping through, because it was the only time I could pump more than an ounce, so she could have breastmilk for her first feed, sterilizing the damn thing over and over again, the Domperidone, the feeds that went on forever, thinking that if you’d just done the right thing at the right time you could have turned a corner and it would have “worked,” carrying on bfing even when you didn’t really believe anything was coming out, and for me the lowest point was being offered one of those tube things that you tape to your breast so that the baby thinks it’s bfing when it’s coming from a bottle, and realizing that however much I wanted to fully breastfeed, that was just a step too far and too freakish for me and I couldn’t face it. I was so looking forward to her being 6 months and starting weaning, so we could just be like everyone else again…so conformism it is for me, but I’m definitely getting braver…. Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
MrsB - I had one of those freaky tube things!!!! it was UTTERLY SHIT and if i can ever prevent anyone from buying one my life will not have been lived in vain. and oh how i hear you about that 'if i had just done the right thing at the right time we might have turned a corner' thing... Babybear is 14 months and just yesterday i found myself looking at her and absent-mindedly thinking 'if only i had known to start pumping earlier...'
funnily enough, i had missed esther's post the other day so when i saw there were a few more ffers coming onto the site i thought i'd come back and formally welcome you all. it's hard to explain to 'by choice' ffers or successful bfers what it's like to be pro-bfing in your head and heart but to find yourself mix or ffing. you know, my sister took the mickey out of me the other day for how obsessed i was about bfing Babybear and i found myself shaking and bursting into tears. how profoundly it affected me... and still does, clearly. i'm so very, very glad that you are all here. i think what we're doing (frankly, even if it's 'just' giving other people a bit of courage to try finger foods in conjunction with spoon feeding) is really important. we've all felt quite shit enough about ourselves, it's time for it to end. Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Vanilla
on Thu 08 Mar 2007 10:32 GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
The stress we put ourselves under is phenomenal......I always thought I would be a natural bfer but situation and circumstance play a huge part. Shortly after I became pregnant my mother became ill and underwent treatment in another country to me - this in itself was very hard but being pregnant, and working made it very difficult to travel to see her, particularly as I got bigger. She died 4 days before the Pickle was born (who was 10 days overdue). I tried so hard to work through the pain of cracked nipples and cried at every feed and finally after 2 months of this (and an overactive let down that meant the poor child ended up with milk in her eyes/ears/up her nose/down her clothes) and finally finding a small window in the wall of guilt I had built....I switched to ff. I wouldn't say instantly, but very soon a much happier Mummy and a calmer baby. I still see friends with younger babies bfing, who effortlessly seem to unhook, uncover discreetly, latch on baby, carry on talking and sipping lattes, switch breasts, burp baby, cover up and finish their conversations with one hand, and catch myself thinking I wish I was doing that. I will always worry about my child's health, food, teeth, and everything that comes with the territory - that will last for years to come.....
....I don't know - what I am trying to say is that we all do the best we can. We shall be worrying about these little ones at all stages through their development. I'm hoping that when, and if, the next one comes at least I will be a little bit more prepared for how difficult breastfeeding can be and where to look for help (soooooo looking forward to those hideous bras and breast pads, and the damned pump - not!!) BLW has been wonderful - I am the only person within my 'group' who is following this course of weaning, and whilst nobody else has been keen or game to give it a go I have had lots of encouraging comments and lots of questions. The pictures posted on the site are testament to our BEAUTIFUL, HAPPY, THRIVING babies...... Aitch, ever thought of a BLW Calendar?? It worked for Calendar Girls!!! I'm feeling better now, rant over (feelings of anger started with 'that' comment on the yahoo group yesterday, good reply Aitch). Have a good day everyone! Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
oh good lord, vanilla, your poor wee mum. and you, and Pickle... all of you. what a terrible thing to happen. my sincerest condolences, i do hope that you feel your mum on sunny days. i so wish that my dad had still been around to be a grandpa.
and re the bfing. i just don't think it's going to go like that a second time for us (if there is a second time and all that...) i certainly feel so much better informed now... Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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vanillapickle
on Thu 08 Mar 2007 13:09 GMT | Permanent Link
Thank you. A very happy and sad time all in one, but I love having the Pickle around, and whatever method of feeding chosen the happy child is most important - and even though there is cheesy spinach sauce on the curtains it's all good!! (ready brek in between the floorboards, random pieces of cous cous around even though we've not had it for a week or so, sweet potato smears on the sofa a good 4 feet away from the highchair, and the constant food on me and in my hair lovingly placed there by the Pickle).
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tracyj
on Thu 08 Mar 2007 20:06 GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
Probably feeling a little over emotional after a glass of wine and not much sleep due to the pumpkin's retched teeth but just wanted to say that I felt really moved by your story. It really makes you think that we all need to stop beating ourselves up and just get on with enjoying our little ones. Having a happy baby is the most important thing, everything else really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. I really hope that when (and if) I do it all again I really will be a bit more chilled out!
Thoughts are with you and Pickle as you approach both a very happy and a very sad anniversary. Tracy Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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vanillapickle
on Sat 10 Mar 2007 18:45 GMT | Permanent Link
Thank you for your thoughts Tracy. Strange being so sad and so happy all wrapped up together. But life is good and soooo much fun now the Pickle is able to open the kitchen cupboards, worked out how to access messages on the answering machine (?!), can go from what appears to be 0-60 in a nanosecond, refuses to lie down for nappy changes, is obsessed with electrical cables...............truth be known I'm exhausted and really should have bought shares in Cadburys seeing as I think I'm single-handedly increasing their profits year on year.
Roll on the summer and all those picnics where the Pickle can fling her food and I don't have to clean up!!!!! Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Anonymous
on Wed 25 Apr 2007 02:25 BST | Permanent Link
Just found this site via Mumsnet (oldnewmummy over there), so getting to grips with all the information slowly. My son is 3.5 months, so just planning ahead a bit.
Thanks especially for the reassurance about formula feeding. My son is adopted so I've no choice anyway, but I hate the way mums are made to feel guilty about their choices. Yes, breast is best, but if you can't/don't want to you shouldn't be made to feel like a child abuser. My son is happy, healthy, alert and tall, and that's really all that matters. Will read this site witn interest. I want him to eat well his whole life, and not grow up on the sort of processed rubbish which I was fed as a child. Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
oooh, many congratulations on your wee baby, oldestnewmummy. did you see what Gill Rapley had to say about formula feeding? i instinctively knew that to be the case anyway but it was nice to get the reassurance. see you here soon.
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NZmummyinblighty
on Sat 28 Apr 2007 21:36 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Hi there
I have just signed up with your amazing site and have just read this post. I had to give up bf when Isla was 5 weeks old (now 7 months) due to the extreme pain of thrush in the milk-ducts due to 2 cases of mastitis and strong antibiotics. I was all geared up to bf for as long as poss and it took me 2 weeks of crying every night to finally decide it was best for me and Isla to start ff. Sundely with the introduction of ff my world changed - i was happier (and more comfortable) and Isla was a lot happier (was getting my babd vibes). I still really wish i was bf, but then I look at my darling Isla and see how happy she is and how healthy she is. Isla loves her bottle - can't get enough at times. I ahev been getting email updates from a friend back in NZ about her finally succeeding with bf - I cried when i read the email thinking about how much i wanted to bf, but my husband reminded me of all the hell i went through and how happy and healthy our little girl is. I will try to bf next time but if it doesnt work out i wont feel bad - as long as i give it my best shot. I also seemed to over produce milk - with an extremely fast letdown that would squirt Isla in the face and leak milk everywhere - it took nearly 3 weeks for my milk to finally dry-up. I decided to visit this great site due to Isla refusing to eat any of her food. It took her over a month to finally open her mouth for the spoon and nopw she just wont eat anything for lunch. Today was the first time we did BLW- Isla had apple and rice crackers. It was so cute to see her sucking away on her apple pieces and grabbing for more. Tomorrow we are going to try some carrots and plum. I am feeling a lot more confident with feeding now that i have found out about BLW - looking forward to many more months (and years) of Isla enjoying her food. Nicole Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
aw, that's so good. there has to be a balance, doesn't there...?
anyway, hopefully we'll hvae better luck next time. glad things went well today, fingers crossed for tomorrow and beyond. Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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E-J
on Thu 17 May 2007 22:42 BST | Permanent Link
Dear Aitch, thank you so much for this post - and to Gill for her response. I have found so much in it to identify with and be reassured by. My daughter M is almost 9 months old (formula-fed since she was 3-4 weeks ... a heartbreaking experience for me too). I came to this blog today via a search on baby-led weaning, which, given our recent struggles with the spoon, my instincts are telling me is probably what M needs and wants. Thanks again!
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brilliant, E-J, i'm really pleased that you found us. good luck with little M, take it easy and she'll soon be scoffing away like a good 'un.
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Lucy Blackburn
on Thu 31 May 2007 18:32 BST | Permanent Link
So pleased to have found this thread! For the same reasons, we've been on mixed breast/expressed/formula since week 2 and it's often felt like a hellish slog, made worse by guilt, and the failure of any of the advice to recognise that some people live in this limbo. Happily, seems easier these days - once I'd accepted I was never going to get my supply up to all of what was needed, I think (and borrowed a second pump). But have felt sometimes that I was spending more time bonding with the pump and a bottle of Fairy than with my own H (now 5 and a half months) .... So fantastic to find comments from other mums who've gone through the same thing. Anyway - we'd just started on mush when I came across this site. H wasn't showing any of the much-quoted signs of being ready, but everyone else I knew was weeks ahead and I was spooked by all the literature suggesting leaving to 6+ months would make it harder. H has swallowed the odd bit, but without much obvious enjoyment.... So the practical advice and encouragement here on BLW is hugely welcome and I'm off to buy some green beans! Not planning to consult the HV, for usual reasons...
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HURRAH!!!
this is TOTALLY my favourite post on the whole blog! how cool that you're feeling a bit better about things, and sympathy/empathy for the hellish slog. Us freaky mix-feeders aren't much talked about, are we? also thanks to the lady who posted further up, it's nice to hear that from a professional and LOL at your mum... welcome, both of you. Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Stanley'sMum
on Wed 04 Jul 2007 09:27 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
It's my favourite post too - when you read everyone's stories, it is so clear that there are a million different problems that can arise and several dozen ways to skin a cat and our kids are not all destined for an unhealthy life because we didn't manage to bf. It's also scary how much we will push ourselves to do something that we think is (or have been brainwashed to think) is the "right thing". Balance is SO important.
So I will add my story for purely therapeutic reasons. I also have a rant and a question to all fellow ff mums.... My story is quite simply that I was pregnant with twins (Arthur and Stanley), who both "cleared" every scan, every heartbeat measurement and every test going with flying colours. They were both a healthy size and I seemed to be taking them all the way to full full-term (twin full-term is 36 weeks...). I live in France and so was totally molly-coddled by the French system (and so totally reassured) and a midwife was coming to my house every 2nd day to monitor their heartbeats. All was going well until one morning Arthur's heartbeat seemed feeble and then it nosedived on the monitor. I live a 4 min walk from the clinic (2mins by car) and we were there and on a scanner within 10mins and I was in the operating theatre within 15....But it was already clear that for no fathomable reason, Arthur had already died, so I went through a c-section in a room totally silent apart from my sobbing. The staff were incredibly tense until they had delivered Stanley safely and working at the speed of light. So probably the worth birth experience and certainly the worst thing that has ever happened to me. A perfect baby, apart from the fact he wasn't breathing and no-one can tell me why. So, my milk took a while to come in (stress and grief) and by that time the clinic were giving Stanley bottles and then I can endorse the whole "worst of both worlds" pump and bottle, until I decided at 5 weeks that we'd lived through enough heart-ache and it wasn't worth it. Voila pour breast-feeding. Now the rant. I found out about BLW from an article in the Independent (a mother who should newspaper clip for a living...) which lead me to "I want my Mum".com. Mums who believe in knowing the research - not the myths....sounds great? But on there you can find (and I am making up the figures because I won't be clicking there again...) 400 articles on why bf is brilliant and 1 on ff, which basically seems to say ff babies die younger (I kid you not). So a) not living up to making the real research available, because I understand there is a lot of suppressed positive research about ff (the Dutch do it and they are all very tall and healthy!!) and b) just what I didn't need to read. IF anyone can bear to do it - we should blast the site with any positive ff research we can find.... Now the question. (I didn't promise to be brief...) With FF, you obviously fill a bottle up with a certain amount - so whilst our babies can make it plain if they don't want more or they haven't had enough - you still have to take a judgement on what to fill the bottle to.....How are people handling the amounts they are offering when starting BLW? I have started to knock 30ml off each bottle and assume he is "making that up" in food (he's chowing down well...) but giving more if he really "asks" for it.....Any other thoughts? Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
Oh god, StanleyandArthursMum, that's too awful, i'm so very sorry about your wee baby. A similar thing happened to a friend of mine, her baby died in utero at around 26 weeks and it was touch and go as to whether her daughter would make it. She said that the funeral was the worst day of her life, which of course it must be. I'm so sorry. I love your boys' names, they're gorgeous. And so French, lol...
With regards to the formula feeding it is tough to recognise that it's best for you to stop bfing but clearly it's only a decision for the parent when it's not really a decision, if you know what i mean? There does come a point... And as for the imbalance of bf articles to ff ones, well, i suppose I look at it from the viewpoint that if I have another baby I'll be grateful for their presence because I'll sure as dammit be trying to bf again. When it comes to your question, though, I'd counsel against knocking off any milk just yet because my own experience - where Babybear didn't cut back her milk naturally until she was just over a year despite wolfing down substantial meals - suggests that keeping things as close to demand feeding is best. In the scheme of things, I wasn't bothered about wasting milk when she often didn't finish her bottle because it was quite nice to see that the solids were having an impact. but other times she'd eat whopping amounts, a bottle and still yell for more. Luckily, the rather sensible baby book i owned (written by an Aussie, they're a clever bunch) said from the very beginning of ffing to keep it as close to demand bfing as possible and to expect to throw out 25% of each feed rather than let them finish the bottle so i'd been chucking milk out for ages, it wasn't a change for us. I think she was on 220ml per feed and we more of less chucked 20-30ml every time. As i said, this is really my favourite post as a lot of the time i think bfers and ffers by choice don't really understand what we've been through. Good to get it all off our chests, i think. So I hope that my view on ff helps, I'm glad you're here and enjoying BLW and i hope you found posting here therapeutic. Once again I'm very sorry that little Arthur was only with you for such a short time. Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Lin
on Wed 04 Jul 2007 11:08 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Oh Stanley'sMum - your post made me just want to be able to hug you. So apologies for a virtual hugging-mugging from a complete stranger.
We have been completely ff for about 4 weeks and Small is now 11 months old. At the moment I offer 180ml at the first-in -the-morning and the-last-at-night feeds. For the mid-morning & mid-afternoon I offer 150ml. She takes what she wants and it can really vary. Usually she takes about 140ml first thing, about 100ml for the two day feeds and the night feed varies wildly dependent on how tired she is and how much supper she has eaten. I know that if she has a big carb-load (usually pasta) she takes much less milk. I haven't yet thought much about how to handle the transition to cows milk once she is one but I think I'll start with the day time feeds - offering cows milk in a cup and see how we go\. I'll retain the first & last feeds in a bottle and introduce them as cows milk as well. I'd be interested to know how others have approached this. I do remember Aitch and I discussing this as a kind of second stage weaning and to be honest i think this is harder! At six months solids were a supplement to milk but now its working out whether to remove milk which feels a lot more complex. Or am I making heavy weather of something straight-forward? Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Cornish smiler
on Wed 04 Jul 2007 14:01 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Stanley'sMum, I am so sorry to read your story and hear about Arthur so am also sending hugs up to you. It must have been just so awful for you. I haven't heard of that website and can't believe the article you said about - how awful is that? Talk about one sided. I find a lot of older health visitors are a bit like that - one of my friends really wanted to stop bfing (she has twins and is just finding it too much) and the HV was really down on her and wouldn't give her any advice at all. Great help eh.
My story is I breast fed Sam up until around 6 weeks ago (think he'd just turned 5 months). I also exclusively breast fed my daughter up until she was 1 so I never thought that there could be a problem with my milk supply, but it turned out Sam just wasn't getting enough milk from me and his weight gain just wasn't happening. I think I'd sort of had in my mind for about a month that things weren't quite right, but kept on bfing and burying my head in the sand. To me this was a huge thing - the idea of stopping bfing was horrific (I suffer from PND and this all came on once I stopped bfing my daughter, as I felt I wasn't 'special' any more). Anyhow, after a lot of soul searching (and tears) I decided no, I hadn't been able to increase my supply so ff had to be the way to go. I really did feel like such a complete failure - I know I'd done 5 months, but it was still so painful for me to even think about stopping. It was so hard, but also the best thing because I am so much more relaxed now and Sam is positively thriving - he's really filling out and loves his milk (and BLW too of course!) I have upped his milk to 8oz four times a day, and that suits us just fine (literally just dropped the dream feed 2 nights ago). I invariably end up throwing the last bit away, but just sometimes he'll polish the whole lot off so I'd rather extra is there if he needs it. I NEVER ram the bottle down his throat and make him drink up if he doesn't want to!!!! Can I just ask if any of you use follow-on milk, or are you like me and use the normal milk which is close to breastmilk (Cow & Gate Premium)? I wasn't sure which to use, but figured I'd prefer it as close to my milk as possible. So, although my story is different to some of yours, I completely relate to it and strongly believe that we just all do the best we can. Yes, sometimes we have to deviate from our 'perfect plan' but, at the end of the day, we have happy, well nourished thriving babies and surely that's all anyone can ask for. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Bigpud
on Wed 04 Jul 2007 17:21 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
So sorry to read the sad post above. Can't really think of anything I can say that would be of any comfort. More virtual hugs.
I really struggled to BF also. At one point with hour long feeds, nipple shields (only way I could do it) and expressing I worked out 12 out of 24 hours were devoted to feeding. Also vv anaemic & struggling after emergency section. Turns out NCT classes weren't of much use in the end! Made me miserable, and didn't enjoy my baby til I started doing part FF. Managed some BF til 13 weeks but felt guilt. At one point I lay in bed, still catheterised whilst poor DH sqeezed colostrum into a syringe and 2 midwives tried to attatch the screaming starving pud to my inadequately flat nipple. The nurses were really supportive I must say. In the end my no nonsense HV said ' if you can't enjoy your lovely daughter for gods sake stop expressing and start introducing a bottle' how right she was. Happy mummy, less exhausted and stressed is able to go out and about and feeds have aduration of ten minutes not an hour, neither of us are soaked by milk leaked from the shield and she's not hungry again less than an hour later. I really wanted to BF. I really tried. I couldn't do it. I did feel guilty, but now we're too busy having fun to worry! Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Vanilla
on Wed 04 Jul 2007 18:41 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Again, StanleyandArthur'sMummy, no words can express, what a dreadful thing to experience..........you sound like you are coping very well and enjoying your wonderful little boy. Keep smiling.
To echo Aitch's comments, I had problems with bf coupled with a bereavement, and eventually swapped to ff but tried hard to keep to demand feeding. I judged the amount of formula for the Pickle's age/weight (from the amounts on tin/on internet info), but if I ended up throwing out milk I didn't fret and I wasn't going to force it down her. Likewise I sometimes had to frantically get another bottle ready on demand!! With regards to starting BLW and the amount of milk, I let the Pickle be the judge and have only recently (at 14 months) reduced the size of bottles morning and night (by a small amount) and dropped an afternoon bottle. She sometimes finishes them and sometimes doesn't - many factors affect this, appetite for solids, snacks during the day, teething, cold, the list goes on...... We are just about to switch over from progress milk to cows milk as I feel very comfortable now that she has a really good varied diet (don't know why that was important to me but I felt happy doing it that way). "ff babies die younger" - I don't know what to say????!!!! Did someone seriously put that on there??? Sorry for the length, hope this makes sense, really agreeing with all other comments that let the baby/demand feeding guide you. I guess you can also take into account the dairy foods consumed during the day as part of the milk quota, but to be honest I have never really got to grips with this and don't worry too much. Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Tinkerbelle's Mummy
on Thu 05 Jul 2007 12:46 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
I'm holding back from crying here reading your post, I have had two live premature daughters (Lily-Hope at 20 weeks and Tinker Belle at 31 weeks ) and we lost the 20 weeker at 3 hours.
It makes me so mad when I hear of women who don't have the support to BF after a bad start! The first time I was wheeled into the ICU of the NNU when Tink was five hours old I asked them when I could breastfeed her and from then they did everything they could to make sure that I would. I had to be woken a couple of times a night because I was never able to pump enough and it was heartbreaking that she had to have formula because I couldn't keep up with her. Just before four months she hadn't gained weight for a month and, although the paediatrition and BF advisors said she was ok, my HV panicked and I had to start her on formula to build her up and shut the HV up! It was heartbreaking to supplement her again. They say that only 2% of women genuinly can't BF including cleft palate babies, 75% actually do and by six weeks that number has more than halved. The problem is it is too easy for the professionals to say "bottle feed them!" rather than sittiing down with a mum and going through it step by step. Although I have managed to get to a year and am still going strong, my heart does go out to mothers who have had no choice but to use a bottle because the support isn't there. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Stanley'sMum
on Thu 26 Jul 2007 13:42 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Thank you all so much for your kind words and virtual hugs. Strangers or not - I hug you back. Also it's the nicest and most sensitive thing for you to call me Stanley and Arthur's mum - that's how I feel, but it makes most people uncomfortable and they prefer not to mention it.
Huge hugs in particular to Tink's Mummy - you know exactly how it feels to lose someone you love so desperately and I at least left the clinic with one healthy child to help me through my sadness - so I can only imagine your pain when you lost Lily-Hope. xxxxxx Thanks for the feeding thoughts too - I think I was getting a bit hung up on the advice from the pedeatrician and getting on to the next thing of dropping a bottle. I have to say, Stanley seems to still regard bottles as food and clamour for them at roughly the same times despite whatever else he's stuffed himself on in between (and now he is capable of stuffing plenty in!). So I will just chill out I think and wait for him to give me the nod.... And I am sure this is not the time and place, but I have to say I burst with pride when he picked up single blueberries and got them into his mouth - at 7 months! I think my boy's a genius!!!! Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Gazelle
on Mon 09 Jul 2007 00:28 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
I'm sooooo glad I came across this thread!
I only managed to breastfeed for 2 weeks, my son was still jaundiced, losing weight etc. Plus there were other issues with painkillers and medication. The Midwife told me we needed a plan of action and asked me to 'top up' his feeds with some formula and try and express to encourage my supply to increase. I couldn't express. It just didn't work. No matter what time of day or night. I couldn't even manage 10mls! Needless to say I was distraught! No wonder my poor little fella was screaming with hunger! After long hours of discussion me and my hubby decided to give up the mixed feeding and go for it with the formula. I was upset for a long time and cried for what seemed like weeks! I totally understand the guilt too. I remember going to my NCT reunion and being looked at like I was the devil incarnate! I get really upset by the bad press formula feeders are given. I am just as concerned about my son's health and diet as breastfeeding mummies. It's not that I can't be bothered to breastfeed, if I could I would (and will try again if I'm lucky enough to have more children!). When I initially logged on to this site, I read the BLW Guidelines link. When I read the part about formula feeding I logged off and felt disgruntled and disheartened. I felt as if I was being branded as an over feeder and that BLW was too good for us formula feeders! But, I came back, and stumbled upon this thread and boy am I glad! Thanks soooooo much! Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
HURRAH for Gazelle!
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It is so heartening to hear other people talk about the same problem I had. At first, I thought there was something wrong with me or I was not trying hard enough.
After a month of "top-up" with formula which was turning into full feeds after an hour of screaming, I decided to ditch the boobs. I cried a lot the first day as my dream was fading but my GP said there was more to being a mum and he was so right. We now have so much more time to play rather than feeding & expressing! I know a number of people on other forums are quite anti BLW but I can't wait to give it a try! Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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wildhairedwoman
on Mon 09 Jul 2007 10:05 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Hi, I too love this section of this site - and I don't have any of the traumatic circumstances other ladies have bravely battled with, I just wanted to say, that whilst I understand that for some people the problem can be a lack of info / support, it can also just be something that doesn't work out - and people shouldn't feel guilty if that's the case.
I was intending to be a fully fledged hippy mum, we did a hypno-birthing course (put on for free by the marvellous Paisley midwives, and very worth doing for a stressbunny like me if only for the relaxation and self calming techniques, must dig that breathy cd out again sometime..). However I ended up being induced (my big old bambino just wasn't for coming out), but I did manage to give birth to my 10lb4 baby with no pain-relief drugs at all - I think the midwives thought I was vaguely insane. But then I found it very very difficult to get going with BF, and this was despite marvellous help - my 'wee' boy got an infection and had to go to special care (a 10lb baby next to the premies looks like such a bruiser!!), so we actually ended up being in hospital for 10 days, with all the access to BF specialists, midwives round the clock etc, and thanks to them I did manage to leave hospital more or less successfully BFing. It was fine for about 6 weeks, and the bruiser just got bigger and bigger, but then I started having problems: Nothing dramatic like mastitus or thrush, just v.painful blocked ducts and 'blebs' - where a tiny bit of milk, size of a pin head, blocks a duct, and until you can pick it out of your nipple your whole duct goes rock hard and v.v.v.painful - I felt like I needed a 2 meter exclusion zone around my breasts - and it's a v.v.horrible experience to not to be able to cuddle your baby because it hurts too much - oh and then when you finally winkle this thing out of your nipple - with a sterilised needle if necessary, you get a 3 foot jet of milk shooting across the room - at which point DH would be summoned to stick bambino on because i didn't want to waste the precious precious milk now that it was finally coming out!! I spent hours on the phone to breastfeeding network (again marvellous support), went to drop-in breastfeeding group at Paisley hospital, spent ages on the internet, but as soon as I'd get one problem sorted something else seemed to come along, the bambino stopped growing, every feed would last for over an hour if I let it, he'd scream when I finally decided I could take no more, but then he was feeding every 2 hours anyway, so I was barely getting any time between feeds and I couldn't do anything or go anywhere. Many feeds were accompanied by me crying (BFing is supposed to help you bond with your baby but if you get to where I was it's absolutely NOT doing this). My husband was desperate for me to go onto bottles as I was a total zombie (no-one ever told me how tired BFing can make you), and so upset the majority of the time - felt I was a terrible mother etc etc. When the midwife did my postnatal depression score thingy the questions provoked a flood of tears, but as i said at the time, I only felt depressed and awful when it came to BF - everything else was fine! Since bambino was so unhappy too I tried to start mixing the feeding, but it got to the stage that even after an hour long breastfeed I was having to 'top' him up with a bottle - as in about 6oz so he obviously wasn't getting much from me, (and compared to a 10 min feed with a happy baby & mum there was no competition) so in the end I phased out all BF at about 3 months. And whilst I would have loved to be a natural earth mother, I cannot describe how good it was the morning I woke up, knowing I wasn't going to have to attempt another soul-destroying BF - it was like a massive weight had lifted, and I can honestly say my baby is better off having a happy mother - even if it's not the ideal choice, it's turned out to be the best choice for us. He's now a thriving cheeky 9 month old, who doesn't particularly eat much in the way of solids, but he takes what-ever he wants both foodwise & formula-wise - so I figure we're doing on-demand for both, we're mainly BLW with the odd spooned thing, but he's a happy healthy chappy who's just discoverd the joy of crawling & grabbing everything he shouldn't! If we ever have another I will try BF again, but not to the point where it makes me & my baby so unhappy. Ooops, this is v.v.long, but I've been enjoying this site for ages, and I guess I wanted to get all that off my (enormous and everyone was so surprised my 32H boobs weren't ideal for breastfeeding) chest!! Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
32H, eh? you sound like a magnificent figure of a woman. well done for everything, the hypnobirthing, the no drugs, the having a baby that size. and in Paisley, of all places...
it is good to get this weirdness off our chests, isn't it? very cleansing, it took me ages to work up to my rant but i felt so much better afterwards. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Bigpud
on Mon 09 Jul 2007 13:17 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
I didn't go to my NCT reunion, partly because I couldn't face the fact that I'd be the only one not BFing. (When I found this thread I thought that FF was Force Feeding, what a twit! But then we bottle shovers are apparently unable to recognise signs of fullness such as the bottle being smacked away or head turning etc so maybe my mistake was actually correct? ;-P)
What's really obvious whenever mums chat is the level of guilt and beating up of selves that's going on. I bet not one person posting here doesn't put their baby and his/her needs first and try constantly to do their very best, yet we all seem to suffer to some extent from the big G! As the press loves to remind us as often as possible Have a baby too young: Guilty gymslip harlot! Wait til you're older: Guilty career harpy! (And own fault if can't conceive you selfish money grubber!) Go back to work: Guilty child deserter! Stay at home: Guilty waster of education and basically a non-person! Breast Feeder: Guilty of offending the prurient in public! Bottle Feeder: Guilty of not wanting the best for your child! etc etc. Sorry, this has now turned into a brand new rant! feel a bit less stressed for getting that off my chest. Sadly, many of the above have been expressed in less lurid tones by various friends and aquaintances. I have enough personal guilt as it is ta very much! Sorry, I really am ranty today. Will shut up now. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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wildhairedwoman
on Mon 09 Jul 2007 14:58 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
I should perhaps paint a better picture of me & my boobs - as I'm 5'10" they're not quite as scary as they sound (ie my big frame does some dwarfing), but I did manage to end up with nursing bra's in the terrifying size of 32L, a friend said my baby ended up so big, so that my bump (being enormous) could outstrip my boobs.
And I totally agree Bigpud - the amount of guilt various media / health visitors try to put on mothers is unbelievable, but the thing is as we're all desperate to do the best for our kids we're very suseptable (so can't spell that), and we spend hours pulverising ourselves over these things, then your wee one does a cheeky raspberry at you, and reminds you that as long as they're thriving there's a million and one ways to make a happy healthy child, infact it's impossible to do it 'correctly', so you just have to do it the best you can - and enjoy it! Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Vanilla
on Mon 09 Jul 2007 16:44 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Wildhairedwoman - A fellow 32L in the nursing bra stakes!!!! Thankfully I'm tall too but still I felt like I had breasts the size of "Lola wiz zeee biiig boobies".
I'm pregnant with no 2 and things are looking like they might be even bigger this time - heaven help us. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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wildhairedwoman
on Tue 10 Jul 2007 12:40 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Lordy, and Bravissimo don't do a nursing bra any bigger than an L cup!! DH says my bras look like two Noddy hats sown together, maybe that'll be the only option!
Glad to hear you're out there though, I figured they didn't manufacture such great expanses of cloth and lace just for me, but it's rare to meet a fellow boob-freak! Congrats on number 2 - how far along are you? Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Vanilla
on Wed 11 Jul 2007 14:57 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Heavens to betsy what will I do if the L cup nursing bras don't fit!!!!!!!!!!! DH helpfully suggests tents. Oh we are out here people just don't admit to it. Wouldn't be so bad if the back measurement wasn't so small, makes buying maternity tops a little difficult too.
I'm nearly 15 weeks now.......off to Bravissimo tomorrow for a new fitting - fingers crossed!! Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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BlueyDragon
on Sat 14 Jul 2007 11:43 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Aitch, I finally found it!
Gazelle, your story sounds so similar to mine. Cracked nipples so bad mini-dragon was throwing up my blood on day 5, jaundice getting worse and worse, woefully ineffective (but well meaning) help from NCT BF counsellors x 2 and just about every midwife under the sun until one day in week 2 I couldn't actually wake her up for a feed (we were with BF counsellor) because she was so jaundiced. Gave up the boob, mixed fed with expressed until she was about 6 weeks. I've never felt so guilty, useless, feeble and upset in my life. On the plus side she's still alive, I'm still alive and I've not felt judged by anyone at all. Only me, but I'm harder on myself than anyone. On the downside my boobs have shrunk by way of punishment - and there wasn't that much of them to start with. Off to try food for the first time today. Will she get the broccoli handles? Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
you never know... good luck for today. don't expect too much, i counted 'mushed into hair' as a result.
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Anonymous
on Fri 20 Jul 2007 00:06 BST | Permanent Link
Hi, glad to find you, another small rant I'm afraid and a question post!!
My lo is 15 weeks so I'm alittle ahead of time finding this website, but I'm so glad its here!!! I read about BLW in the recent NCT magazine and thought wow I like that idea! Sad i know but I like most wanted to BF, it seemed to be working until I discovered that at 4 weeks lo hadnt regained her birth weight then at week 5 she'd gained only 1oz in a week. So I started to introduce FF, as others have metioned lo started to prefer FF so did a mix for a few weeks and it pettered out. But unlike most I'm friends with a group of NCT mums and at the first reunion about 6 weeks after most where born only 1 or 2 were still exclusivly BF. I'm really concerned that as a FF and a plus size mum lo needs to learn to take only what she needs and BLW seems the best way - dont fancy forcing mush in and panicking if she doesnt finish it etc! Q: Lo is in the process of moving on to number 2 hungrier baby milk at the mo full time, at 6 months or there abouts when you started BLW has anyone stayed on number 1 or 2 milk or do we move to number 3 follow on milk? Using Aptimil, a little confused! Thanks S Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
hello there S, welcome to the site. as you know i've got no training in any medical area so feel super-free to ignore anything i'm about to say...
i just kept my baby on aptamil 1, to be honest. i know there's more iron in the second milk but i did a bit of looking around and it seemed to me there was plenty in the first stuff. i just liked the idea of the fish oils in the first one. (i'm sure it all gets excreted and i paid a fortune for nothing, though, LOL). With regards to follow-on milk, i never bothered. I've read that it only exists to let formula companies advertise their products and that there's not much point to it, really, but who knows? so there you go, that's what i did. i can't imagine that it will have helped you one bit! good luck when you get started. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Jeni
on Fri 20 Jul 2007 00:48 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
ds1 and ds2 were both exclusively ff and back then there was no follow on milk. i agree with what aitch says about it only existing for advertising purposes.
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Bigpud
on Fri 20 Jul 2007 09:34 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Hi anonymous. I am also a bit on the plus size (hence Bigpud). Pudding has been on Aptamil 2 since about 15 weeks and still takes 6 6oz feeds a day. I can pinpoint her move from the 25th percentile to 95th for weight at point where mixed feeding gave over entirely to the bottle. I understand your worries; I have a very messed up relationship with food due to a variety of factors, but boiling down to being a cussed child who wouldn't respond to pressure. (Also sucked thumb until teens for same stubborn reasons. Own worst enemy, me!)
Pudding is 5 1/2 months and fills 6-9 month clothes already. She is 20lb. Mum keeps making comments re her weight, and I'm aware that a potential problem is in the offing if this continues. My baby is a gorgeous, pudgy, healthy and happy bundle. I really want to avoid messing up her little head about her self-image. I think eating well myself and BLW is the best way to try and do this. Oh yeah, and beware 'comfort milk'. I got this because of bad wind (hers not mine) and realised when got it home that sugar was v high up ingredients. It got binned. Amazing how our own hang ups and experiences colour our experiences as mums. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
Hi
Can I ask why you're moving onto hungrier baby milk? Is it just 'cos your LO can't last on no1? Bruno is 4 months & I'm using no1 but his weight gain has really dropped lately & wondered whether I should switch... Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Eleanor
on Fri 20 Jul 2007 12:32 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
I think the thing about hungrier baby milk is just that the proteins (casein??) in it break down more slowly so they feel fuller for longer - it's not actually giving them more nutrition. So if you're trying to increase their weight gain, it might actually be counterproductive because it could mean they end up taking even less (because of feeling fuller)?
I've never used it, this is only what I've heard from someone who did, so sorry if it's the wrong end of the stick. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
Thanks Eleanor, I reckoned I didn't need it so you've reassured me on that.
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Anonymous
on Fri 20 Jul 2007 18:23 BST | Permanent Link
Hi thanks for the in put Aitch, that was my thinking that it was all advertising based but didnt want to not offer lo the best start if she should have it - going in circles I know but hopefully your catch my meaning!!!
Re: Using hungrey baby number 2 milk as lo went from having 5 5oz ( just on 4 hours) and sleeping 7 hours min at night (always had, yes im very lucky) feeds to needing feeding every few hours waking at night and being miserable so increased to 6oz a feed and lo couldnt hold the volume and was sick every feed, misery continued! So HV suggested going back to 5oz and trying number 2. So lo had it once a day for a month or so and is now just on that with 6oz feeds and a lot happier! Looking forwad to BLW! Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
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Mij
on Fri 20 Jul 2007 22:19 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Please excuse a BFeeder sticking her oar in where she knows nowt by experience, but the follow-on milk is about advertising, yes, it's to get around the WHO recommendations re the promotion of infant formula. There are no restrictions on the promotion of milk supposedly made for babes over 6 months, but like everything else, mums know best and you know which formula suits your LOs.
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Anonymous
on Sun 23 Sep 2007 15:39 BST | Permanent Link
I love love love this post. I could have written parts of it myself, although less eloquently as a formula and breast feeder to a two month old; your early experiences are so like mine (right down to that damn fenugreek - how I love to smell like curry. Not). I am heartened to hear that I will be able to give baby-led weaning a try in a few momths, without my baby growing two heads.
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oh my GOD, i'd forgotten about the smell! i'm having a fenugreek flashback. oh it was awful, wasn't it?
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Anonymous
on Mon 24 Sep 2007 22:13 BST | Permanent Link
I'm so glad I'm not the only one! My son was born on the 90th percentile, lost a lot of weight in the first 5 days and was gaining 1-2oz a day until he was weighed again at 2 weeks and had lost even more weight. We also had to go to hospital (I thought we were going for a check up and pep talk and ended up in for best part of a week) my son was given antibiotics to ckear out any infection and I was told to introduce a bottle.
I also tried my dammdest to get my milk supply back up and was in a cycle of breast feed for half and hour, warm a bottle up, give a top up, express, wash and sterilise bottles, make more formula all day and night (feeding every 3 hours to increase my milk supply!), my son also realised very quickly that he got more milk for less effort on the bottle and at 11 weeks I quit. I do still nurse once or twice a day but this is more for his comfort, when I start things off with hand expressing there is still some milk but not that much. He's only 3 months but I do plan to use baby led weaning and have found that articles are written in a very pro-breastfeeding slant (which is understandable) but they tend to imply all bottle feeding mothers are lazy evil women forcing formula down a babies throat. Glad to know you can BLW from bottles! Re: Re: A slight rant about formula feeding and breastfeeding - bear with me...
there are loads of us, don't worry, it'll be fine. keep up the good work, every ounce of BM is immunities and closeness and comfort, and it is nice, isn't it? but what a monumental pain in the ass all the bottle business is... oh i'm so glad i'm past all that. and the pain of bfing not working out does pass, i promise. for me, BLW helped a lot, made me feel normal again (and abnormal, but in a good way). good luck, come and introduce yourself on the forum as well.
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collington
on Wed 02 Jan 2008 21:46 GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
In short, I had a very similar experience. (Baby was eventually a hospital outpatient for malnourishment...) Despite trying to explain how I feel to people, no one seems to get it. I just get a "Well, the baby's fine now" or "Not everyone can do it" -- which are all the right things to say but still don't make me feel any less like a failure.
Thank you for sharing your story and for letting me feel normal instead of useless. Re: Thank you ...
Brilliant. this is the post i'm most proud of on the whole blog, to be honest, and i'm genuinely touched that you connected with it. loads of us 'get it', sadly, but i think you have to have been through it recently to remember how painful it was not to do manage it.
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Dawn McGovern
on Sun 24 Feb 2008 18:44 GMT | Permanent Link
Hi there,
I just wanted to add my two'pennuth about failing at bf, i felt really awful when my lo got jaundice, wouldn't wake to feed and had to be cup fed formula. One midwife in the hospital told me that 'jaundice starves the baby of life'. comforting huh. i was also told that when lo did latch on in those early days that she wasn't actually sucking, so made me feel like we were both crap. (some of those hospital midwives can be really cruel). As the cup feeding was just awful - spillage, gagging, yuk - we gave her a bottle. Her weight got better and she never really latched on again. What awful times they were, trying to latch her on, her screaming, squirming, awful awful awful. I was annoyed with her 'what do you want?' I said to her once quite loudly one day, felt useless myself, and felt like i was polluting her with formula. I am really conscious of the food I eat, and wanted the best for LO. I wouldn't drink powdered milk myself so I felt awful giving it to her. I went to so many breast feeeding cafes that most of the hv in my area know me by name, but still lo wasn't having it. I became a regular on kellymom, but none of the advice worked. She was however putting on loads of weight, and instead of being happy about that, I felt that she was getting unhealthily fat because of the formula. All in all very dark days for us. Then I started to realise that all of my nct bf mum friends all had problems bfeeding, their babies weren't gaining, had eczema and were often ill, and my little cherub was plump shiny skinned and generally bonny. The bfeeders also rarely left the house because of constant feeding and me and bub are out all the time in galleries, cafes and parks. Why couldn't i be satified with that. And then after a while I realised that we were actually doing rather well. Obviously I would give up all the benefits to be able to look at lo and think that not only did i feed her as a foetus that I fed her as a baby too. But heh, sometimes thing don't work out. She's 5 months now and I do express my milk, but I only really get 1 fl oz a day, but something is better than nothing! I'm was getting a bit sick of feeling like a failure, and now actually I don't. BLW looks fantastic, and I am looking at seed catalogues now to see what type of veg I can grow! Am very excited. Thanks very much for this site, so human, funny and normal! I wish the WHO/health visitors/rabid bf'ers would read this and see how insensitive they can be sometimes. Dawn & Rosex blimey i went on a bit there didn't i! sorry Re: Re: Re: Thank you ...
as i have demonstrated above, once you start letting out these feelings it's hard to stop, isn't it? i'm really glad that you have made your peace with formula, it's hard isn't it? for me, weaning was a big breakthrough actually, made me feel like i was back on some sort of 'normal' 'natural' continuum again. see you on the forum, dawn, button's on the left hand side.
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Helojones
on Wed 12 Mar 2008 22:16 GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
Wow!! I just joined because of this post (i may have to print it out to read and re-read, and read again). And I just burst into tears - mainly relief I think. I could have written it myself! I have a 16 week old, and I took the very painful 'decision' to stop 'worst of both worlds' feeding yesterday. We initially started on day 3 as both baby and I were very ill and it seemed like a solution, at the time, and to be fair, it probably was the only option what with everything else going on. I'm just angry at the world that it went so wrong for us I guess. I've been expressing like mad, taking domperidone and enough fenugreek to sink several ships and it's just not working (you all know the story - it sounds pretty text book from reading what's happened with other people). I've spent countless hours talking to bf counsellors - one very lovely one even took pity and came to my house. But feeding has been steadily getting more upsetting and more difficult with each feed and now I think it's high time I actually concentrated my efforts on having fun with my baby - enter complete ff. I'm still expressing a few times a day and frantically collecting the drops I get but my milk is dwindling rapidly and to be honest it's a bittersweet feeling. I have grown to hate and resent the bl00dy pump, but I can't just give up yet (!) - I want any last drops... probably pointless but sheer stubborness has got me this far....
Anyway, I came across (by googling of course, and a nice change it's been from googling for bf help!) this blog whilst reading up on weaning - and I instantly felt... well, positive! And what a lovely feeling it is after months of feeling like a big useless failure! I may not be able to bf but I will jolly well give my baby the best possible start when it comes to proper food. (Err, famous last words... ) I had also read the 'get advice before you try it with a ff baby' and I actually thought, 'ask a health professional???!! Not a chance!! I'm doing what I think is best for my baby and that's that'. Voila! Parenting confidence restored. YAAAAY!! Now I just need to remember this feeling when having coffee with the NCT ladies and I reach for my ff paraphernalia. My heart goes out to all of you who have had similar (and much more heart breaking) experiences. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thank you ...
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Vanilla
on Thu 13 Mar 2008 12:25 GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
Just wanted to say that 16 weeks is absolutely fantastically brilliant especially when it has been difficult for you. Yes, the guilt feeling is dreadful but you do get over it and don't worry about getting a bottle out in front of NCT people - I think you'll find a fair few will be doing the same.
I have recently had my second baby who is now nearly 9 weeks old and so far (fingers crossed), with a few blips, the BF is going well. So after not doing well with no 1 there is hope....I was much better informed this time, knew more of what to expect, expected the soreness, etc etc etc. I have wavered a couple of times, especially with the toddler demanding a lot of attention as well, but that guilty feeling is there again and my determination is much greater this time. Situation and circumstance are very different this time. Enjoy BLW when you get there - it's wonderful. My daughter was ff from week 8 and had absolutely no problems getting started the BLW way - at nearly 2 she now shows signs of pigheadedness, attitude, and a very very strong will when it comes to her food but I relax and let her get on with it - my father tells me she gets it from me!! (thanks Dad). She surprises me all the time, one day eating virtually nothing, the next eating everything she can find and stealing her parents meals, showing off her gourmet palate. Have fun!! and keep the camera ready. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thank you ...
HELOJONES!!! how utterly wonderful to read that you are feeling more confident about Parenting Stuff. it's such a ghastly experience, that worst of both worlds thing, isn't it? do you want me to say all the business about 16 weeks being great? cos you know it is, really, in your heart of hearts, even if it's not what you wanted. and the sting of it all does wane when you start weaning them, because it feels like you're getting back on the line you wanted to be on anyway. or at least that's what i found. see you on the forum, i hope. sorry i didn't answer before, i thought it was an old comment and allow me one minor 'phew, you stink' if you've been taking fenugreek...
and Vanilla, bloody well done as well. it gives me great hope for the future, that story. congratulations and well done. i am wondering why i didn't know you'd had your new baby? was there a post on the forum, did i miss it? oh PLEASE put your birth story on there, i'm a total sucker for a birth story... Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thank you ...
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Helojones
on Mon 17 Mar 2008 17:40 GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
Thank you both! It's great to hear you're doing well second time around Vanilla! Gives me hope.
Both baby and I are so much happier, and bizarrely expressing is less ... irritating really. I think because having officially given up, anything I express is a bonus rather than a gut wrenching disappointment. I'm actually managing to express about a 3rd of chops' consumption so feeling quite pleased - I don't imagine it'll last for very long but I guess it's something to bear in mind in the future should I be lucky enough to go through it all again! That stress thing really is bad. Nothing like that thought to add to your stress ;-) Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thank you ...
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Caroline
on Sat 04 Apr 2009 05:02 BST | Permanent Link
Hi Aitch It never occurred to me to check whether my FF baby could be BLW...I am just doing it and it feels amazing for her and me. You guys are the first ones I have been able to connect with who had the whole BF disaster. My placenta was adhered to uterus so body's post preg hormones didn't know to kick in....as you all did, I tried everything and felt guilty for months...my little girl is perfect and doesn't appear damaged in any way. I am in Melbourne, Australia so it is really cool to think of all these women around the world lamenting their FF but healing the wound....ahh, not alone anymore!!! Thank you!
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