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Dairy alternatives and calcium intake
by Moomin on Wed 10 Jan 2007 09:21 GMT |  Profile |  Permanent Link
I've moved over here rather than monopolise "Boomer turns 1".

We went to see the dietician yesterday and I now know that a one year old requires 350mg of calcium a day.

100ml cow's milk = 120mg
100g sardines = 460mg

The only reason to have milk is for the calcium. I asked why milk was recommended and was told it was because it always has been. I guess it's easier to suggest a pint of milk rather than one fig, a handful of seeds, a portion of kale etc etc...

The dietician suggested I use fortified rice, oat or soy milk in cooking and recommended soy or hydrolysed formula for drinking.

I'm happy that I can drop the morning breastfeed and replace it with fortified rice milk in her porridge. However, the night feed is a bit more difficult.

On reflection, I don't want to give her soy formula. At least not in the volumes that are being suggested. There's no daily maximum allowance for soy. I was told that if she has 500ml she should be okay. Not comfortable with that. I guess we can try hydrolysed formula if the GP will agree to prescribe it.

She's been off dairy for five days now and her skin has nearly cleared up. I think she could probably cope with some dairy. Her eczema is currently restricted to the back of her knees, if she was ravaged with it, I would take her off dairy completely. I can't even be sure it is the dairy that causes it to flare up. There's illness, teething, weather, full moon...

So, we are part way there. The quest to raise my child whilst making not a single mistake continues...ahem.


Re: Dairy alternatives and calcium intake
by Bunny on Wed 10 Jan 2007 10:12 GMT |  Profile |  Permanent Link
I've been panicking thinking I couldn't NOT give the Weeble milk, it seems way more odd than this BLW lark, but then my mum pointed out to me that I refused point blank to drink milk until I was about 15, and my grandmother never ate any dairy products at all for her entire life, and it doesn't seem to harm either of us (well, Nanna's gone now, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't for a lack of milkshakes and cheese sandwiches!)

But, oh god, sardines... even the word makes me want to hurl. Might have to get his father to feed him those!
Re: Re: Dairy alternatives and calcium intake
by Morv on Wed 10 Jan 2007 11:45 GMT |  Profile |  Permanent Link
Moomin, I really glad that you got some good advice from your dietician and its sounds like the wee ones skin is doing good. After reading squirrels entry about trying not to depend to much on dairy I have beeen giving Boomer less milk - as it was alarming how much she was drinking. She didn't get a drink of milk when she woke and she had yoghurt apple and flakes. Sardines on toast though - there's a blast from the past - I think thats dinner!
Re: Re: Re: Dairy alternatives and calcium intake
by Aitch on Wed 10 Jan 2007 13:14 GMT |  Profile |  Permanent Link
Very, very interesting news, particularly as Babybear is rebelling over the cow's milk thing.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dairy alternatives and calcium intake
by Moomin on Wed 10 Jan 2007 16:14 GMT |  Profile |  Permanent Link
Like Bunny, I am informed that I drank virtually no milk. I used to have tea!

I would feel slightly uneasy about giving her a pint of cow's milk a day, it seems an awful lot of one food group. If they have a good, varied diet, they should be fine.

Sardines are fab. Especially in tomato sauce.

View Article  Allergies Thread - Advice from mums of allergicky babes
I'm cutting and pasting this from the Random Thoughts comments, just because it will make the info searchable and I think that your experiences with BLWing your allergic or potentially allergy-prone babies will be invaluable for others. If those involved in the conversation wouldn't mind continuing it here (watch me kill this thread stone dead...) then that would be great.





BLW with potential allergies
by superhoop on Sat 24 Mar 2007 09:55 GMT  |  Permanent Link
Hi. Have been reading through this site & found it so interesting. SweetPea is 6 months old now and we're wanting to go for BLW. I did try her on babyrice last week (she's quite sicky and I was hoping it would do the job of gaviscon without resorting to gaviscon) but she wasn't having any of it (whereas quite happily sucks away on apple/pear segments)
She's got quite nasty eczema, which seems to have improved a fair amount since I cut dairy out of my diet a couple of weeks ago (she's exclusively breastfed) - so I'm guessing that she has a dairy intolerance at the very least - and possibly other sensitivities/allergies (my sis is very allergic)
I've read the info on here about allergies, but was wondering how it worked in practise - if we were going down the puree route then we'd offer the same new food in isolation for 3 days before moving onto the next new one. Does the same go for BLW (ie I offer her sweet potato chips for the next 3 days then try something else) or is that not proper BLW? Would be interested to know what others have done in a similar situation.
superhoop

Re: BLW with potential allergies
by Aitch on Sat 24 Mar 2007 11:31 GMT |  Profile |  Permanent Link
Moomin's your gal, here. hopefully she'll see this. i'll buzz a pal of mine as well for you. like your name, superhoop.

Re: Re: BLW with potential allergies
by Aitch on Sun 25 Mar 2007 21:59 BST |  Profile |  Permanent Link
bumping for moomin and jen.

Re: BLW with potential allergies
by CSWS on Sun 25 Mar 2007 22:29 BST  |  Permanent Link
Hi superhoop - my dd is milk intolerant, but the only allergies in our family are eczema and a little bit of asthma, so we haven't been overly cautious with leaving things for 3 days. DD did have silent reflux though, which was aggravated by something in the early days, so we slowed down a little right at the beginning. As your dd also has reflux, you might want to check out lists of acidic foods to delay introducing (things like tomatoes, cauliflower, the otherwise ideal broccoli).

Ideally, yes you would do single foods for the same length of time as you would with purees. It doesn't go against the blw ethos at all IMO, as long as you're just putting the food in front of her and leaving her to get on with it.

The only problem we've had so far (dd is 13 months now) is with tomatoes, which brought her out in a contact rash on her face, but we continued to give occasionally, and she seems to be outgrowing this now.

Re: BLW with potential allergies
by Moomin on Mon 26 Mar 2007 08:23 BST |  Profile |  Permanent Link
Hiya superhoop. Am currently covered in baby sick. A second lot of gastoenteritis in our household - blimmin nursery, it's currently going around there (there's a reason not to send Babybear). Anyhoo, I will try and reply in more detail later. Suffice to say, I'd do one food at a time for three days, I'd pick an order to introduce major allergenic food groups and I'd be aware that eczema is a tricky one. I find that weather, teething and the phase of the moon effects Minky's skin. Difficult to disect other things out.

Re: BLW with potential allergies
by Moomin on Mon 26 Mar 2007 09:36 BST |  Profile |  Permanent Link
Okay, BLW and allergies. I shall start by saying I didn’t start with BLW, I started with purees. Didn’t know BLW existed. We changed over when she was around 8 months due to the freezer defrosting (“My beautiful purees!”) and Minky’s preference for no spoon(ing). I shall BLW the next one (the one that is immaculately conceived). The next one will, of course, refuse BLW and demand to be spoon fed until the age of three. I digress…

I was very cautious/obsessive/slightly crazy about allergies and weaning. I did one food every three days. I would do this again. I also decided on a time to introduce allergenic food, with no restrictions on other foods.

Six months: Started with root veg and fruit. No citrus fruit, berries or tomatoes.

Eight months: Tomatoes

Ten months: Dairy, wheat (was going to leave it until a year; the dietician said there was no evidence it made any difference after six months)

Twelve months: Egg, fish

Minky has a true allergy to egg. She is intolerant to cow’s milk. She won’t drink any sort of formula and I’m no longer breastfeeding, so she has yogurt and cheese. Her skin would probably be better without them but she can tolerate them.

I’m glad I went slowly and that I can identify what she can and can’t have. I’m glad I introduced dairy gradually using the order suggested on here, so that I’m happy giving her yogurt and cheese, but milk is a step to far. I’m pleased that she was one before I gave her egg, so that she was bigger and stronger when she reacted to it.

When you begin weaning, SweatPea can just have a bit of veg/fruit from your plate. Very much in keeping with BLW. You can then make very plain casseroles for you all for example lamb and root veg (keep the bouillon powder on the table for sprinkling on the grown ups portion a la Aitch). I often make a casserole and take out a few portions for Minky. If you’re having pasta, and you want to keep her wheat free, you’ve got the option of rice, corn or buckwheat pasta.

As I mentioned, I find with eczema that there are many, many things that affect it. At the moment she is ill and, consequently, her skin is perfect. Top eczema causes in our house are teething and changes in weather. All we hope for when she is trying new food is that her skin keeps going up and down rather than up and up, if you see what I mean. I expect the back of her knees to be sore, when it starts spreading to the front of her legs, I know we have a problem.

It’s actually very easy to avoid dairy and wheat, until you introduce it and then you don’t know how you survived without cheese sandwiches! Good luck, it can be a fun time. I can see how BLW is actually easier for babies with allergies as everything isn’t whizzed up into a gloop, but individually foods are eaten and reactions can be seen.

Do post any other questions. It's good to feel my obsession might help someone else!


Re: Re: BLW with potential allergies
by superhoop on Mon 26 Mar 2007 10:40 BST  |  Permanent Link
Gosh - thanks Moomin & CSWS - some really helpful advice there. It's so good to hear from people who have gone through a similar experience.

Moomin - your order/timelines sound good - I think I'll stick to similar. I'd love to be able to offer her anything and everything, but common sense dictates caution.

SweetPea's eczema also seems to be affected by high tides/roadworks as much as anything tangible. The only thing that seems to have really made a difference is me cutting dairy from my diet. And I'm already craving cheese enough to be seriously considering buying some vegan alternative ("sheese") so I'm not sure I'm quite selfless enough to cut much more out of my diet.

My sister (16 years younger than me so I remember this stage with her) had horrible eczema and lots of food sensitivities/intolerances/allergies. Is my Mum right when she says the difference between the intolerances and the allergies is that the sensitivities make the eczema worse, whereas the allergies just get vomited straight back at you? I remember rushing my sis to hospital a couple of times due to mouth swelling/repeated vomiting and am terrified of going through the same with SweetPea. Still - the other option is keeping her on breastmilk alone indefinitely, which isn't really an option.

Anyway, we're now a week in and SweetPea has sucked/gummed on pear and sweet potato (proper tastes) and sucked raw apple & carrot (probably gets a hint of a taste but not much). I think it'll be a slow process, but that's fine.

View Article  Allergies - a sensitive subject
My friend Jen is a good and impressive woman, but let's just say that she is un petit peu cautious by nature. And a teensy bit anal, as well, but in a cute way, with just a hint of Monica Geller. (Like Monica, I suspect she is secretly a flibbertigibbet of monumental proportions, but I digress...)

On the matter of allergies, however, she has good reason as her family history seems to predicate her son to having frightening allergic reactions. Maybe he'll have them, maybe he won't, but you can bet your life that Jen will make every effort possible to avoid him suffering in any way.

She has also recently discovered that she can't be bothered cooking, so she has evolved a cunning way of bulk cooking BLW foods, which is worth reading even for those of you who are intolerant of the very idea of intolerance. Here it is...




Fast-food baby-led low-allergen-risk weaning

How’s that for a title?

On behalf of all Canadians I should come forward as the true Canadian worrier that Aitch was referring to, and perhaps come clean about my anxious tendencies. This, I hope, will help everyone understand that my worrying is simply a result of being a product of a skilfully nervy family, as opposed to being a citizen of a worrying country. Or maybe it’s about my need to be in control?  Perhaps that’s for my therapist to sort out…

I do feel that my worrying about Bubby and his eating has really stemmed from a legitimate source, as opposed to my own delusions. The fact is, he has a cousin on each side with life-threatening food allergies (egg, dairy, wheat, peanuts), and his parents have had eczema and hay fever.  So clearly Bubby is pretty darn eligible for the food allergy award of the year. 

I met someone over the summer who told me her 18-month-old has a dairy allergy, and that her GP told her it was likely because her child had been both (a) genetically vulnerable to developing this allergy, and (b) introduced to milk too early. Combined, this has resulted in the allergy, she thinks.

It seemed clear to me then that when we began weaning, Bubby’s diet needed to be as cautious as possible when it came to introducing foods since exposure to the food plays a significant role in the development of an allergy.

However, being the queen of not-planning-meals-more-than-five-minutes-in-advance, the fact that almost every pre-prepared baby food out there contains at least dairy, if not other potential allergens, has meant I need to find creative ways of weaning that are both healthy and quick.

Since I’ve taken time to figure it out, I thought perhaps there might be others not so keen to sort through everything like I have (or not so obsessive), and my discoveries might help you.  Even if you’re not Canadian… I mean, a worrier.

 

Here’s my combination approach:

1. Baby-led weaning

2. Introducing low allergen-risk foods at recommended stages to minimize reaction

3. Foods pre-prepared for speedy, dash-to-the-fridge/freezer-and-grab-what-you-need delivery.

 

Baby-led weaning?  Well, you’re on the website, and can sort that out pretty easily.  We’ve offered Bubby a range of food options at each meal, which he feeds himself.

Introducing low allergen-risk foods? For the sequence of introducing foods, we’ve followed the guide you can find under ‘links’ to the right of the screen: ‘Sequence of Adding Foods…’ (this by the way came thanks to my frighteningly all-knowing paediatric physiotherapist sister—see my above reference to family for more insight)

But what the heck kinds of foods can I give him?
It’s one thing to know what I’m not allowed to feed him, but what and how I can feed him is another problem altogether. I have to recommend a great book which has helped me through all this stuff: Lucy Burley’s ‘Optimum Nutrition for Children’ outlines best options for food choices.

 

The pacing of introducing foods
Lucy Burley’s book also has a chart that gives recommendations about the pace of the introduction food. It was her chart I’ve used to guide us through first three months of weaning. It’s been particularly helpful since I’ll be going back to work, have been breastfeeding till now, and needed to plan how to wean him from breastfeeding without using (dairy-based) formula.

I suggest using it only as a guide, of course…surely you’ve read enough of this website by now to understand that BLW means being relaxed about mess and food amounts? But I am someone who always needs to feel some sense of control over the world (surely this is related to my great worrying capacity?) and who needs to have some grasp of the direction we’re moving in at all times, so this chart was a lifesaver. 

It’s simple, but good. Obviously the teaspoon and dessertspoon bits aren’t that relevant to Baby Led Weaning but it’s a good place to start. And it does give you a good idea of just how little babies are supposed to be eating in the early stages.

 

Week 1&2

Week 3&4

Week 5&6

Week 7&8

Week 9&10

Week 11&12

Early Morn

Milk

Milk

--

--

--

--

Breakfast

 

Milk

 

Milk

Milk

1-2 tsp solids

Milk

Milk

2-3 tsp solids

Milk

Milk

1-2 dsp solids

Milk

Milk

3-4 dsp solids

--

Milk

Lunch

Milk

1-2 tsp solids

Milk

Milk

3-4 tsp solids

Milk

Milk

5-6 tsp solids

Milk

--

4-5 dsp solids

Milk

--

4-5 dsp solids

--

--

4-5 dsp solids

Beaker of Milk

Tea

Milk

Milk

 

 

Milk

2-3 tsp

solids

Milk

Milk

3-4 dsp

solids

Milk

--

4-5 dsp solids

Milk

--

4-5 dsp solids

Beaker of Milk

Bedtime

Milk

Milk

Milk

Milk

Milk

Milk

 

Adapted from Lucy Burney, Optimum Nutrition for Babies and Young Children
http://www.lucyburney.co.uk/books/index.html

And we’re lucky enough that we haven’t had to worry about amounts; Bubby gobbles up just about anything - even if he gets three chews in and then suddenly remembers that he hates what I’ve sneakily given him again (like butter/ lima beans). Aitch calls this ‘weaning groundhog day’.  Hilariously, it happened with organic lamb’s liver again this week.

 

The quick and easy solution.
Remember I said I just don’t do ‘plan-in-advance’ foods very well? I used to think it’s because I work long hours.  Now I’m at home with Bubby, I have had to face the raw truth that I simply just don’t like cooking. Not that I don’t have great aspirations - I’ve read through the recipes on this site a million times, thinking ‘right, next time I won’t buy the organic oat cakes, I’ll bake them’.  Hasn’t happened yet, and I’m coming to terms with the fact it may never happen.  Surely this doesn’t make me a bad mum…?

Here’s what I’ve done to make things really easy:

1. Buy up all the vegetables and fruit for baby in one shop. We’ve gone organic with everything.

2. Set aside all the vegetables and fruit baby can’t eat raw

3. Chop them all up in fist-grabbing sizes

4. Steam them (we are the deliriously appreciative recipients of some fantastic hand-me-down baby things, including a ‘babycook’ which has made things even easier, since it reduces the risk of over-steaming food)

5. Let them cool 

6. Put them in separate plastic freezer bags (and label and date them, if you’re OTT organized). We keep food in the freezer for up to 1 month.

7.Toss out everything you don’t need in your freezer and make room for these bags.

8. At each meal, go through the bags, taking out whatever you want to feed baby

9. Put in bowl, and pour freshly boiled water over them.

10. Leave for 2 minutes, and presto! Food is right ready for baby; a whole healthy range of colourful veggies and fruit.

We also freeze lentils, brown rice and kidney beans in those ice cube boxes, and toss them into separate freezer bags too.We heat them to piping hot in the microwave then let them cool before letting the baby loose on them

Bubby loves the range and variety of his foods, after all he doesn’t know that I’m limiting him. He can eat off our plates when we’re out without having to dig into the rare prefab baby food that doesn’t have dairy, and we’re all happy.

So there you have the consciously anally-retentive approach to baby-led weaning.  May other control-obsessed (and consequently control-grieving) mothers be buoyed and encouraged:  there is a way!