I'm asking because it seems like there is a perception that your baby must have teeth in order to chew. As far as I recall, Babybear's teeth hadn't started coming in when she started solids, although the two bottom ones appeared very soon after.
As it happens, when she is teething she tends to go through a period of non-eating (by which I mean no food apart from pesto, pasta and frozen peas - lord knows there would have to be something terribly wrong for her to she stop eating that).
However, once the teeth were beginning to cut I found that she enjoyed something quite tough like a big crust of bread or hunk of steak and I rather got the impression that this helped the teeth to break through.
To those of you just starting out, if you think about it the teeth are there already, they're just encased in gum. So it simply isn't the same as watching your granny struggle with a lamb chop, because by that time her teeth have gone.
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Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
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vanillapickle
on Mon 02 Apr 2007 19:03 BST | Permanent Link
The Pickle didn't have any teeth when we started out (at 6 months) and got her first 2 at 9 months. It didn't stop her having a go at everything even steak - she just tried to rip shreads of the steak off with her gums. She still only has the 2 (at nearly 11 months) but manages to have a go at whole apples quite well.
Interesting - when she is teething (the last couple of weeks) she does go off most food aside from hummous, prunes and oranges. Just imagine THOSE nappies.............. Re: Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
I'm trying very hard not to imagine those nappies...
Karel and Madelief still don't have any teeth (@8 1/2 months) and they're doing fine. We do tend to give them pretty soft food though, for instance we're still cooking the apple (for about 10 secs). But when you think about it, we don't chew with our front teeth either, we chew with our molars. And the back teeth come out even later than the front teeth, I don't think anyone would suggest feeding babies on just puree until they've got a few of those ... Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
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CSWS
on Mon 02 Apr 2007 20:36 BST | Permanent Link
None! Dd got her first 2 teeth when she was 9 months, and her next 2 at almost 12 months, and that's it so far (at nearly 14 months). She didn't really take off with eating well until over 11 months, and I do think that teeth made some difference to her, in the sense of being able to tear off bits of food like toast, but I do agree that they don't need them in order to chew on food. Dd still won't entertain the idea of chewing meat, so unless she's waiting for a full set, it can't be teeth holding her back!
Re: Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
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cloviscat
on Mon 02 Apr 2007 21:21 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Beeble got two teeth at 25 weeks, and another two at just over seven months - but I don't think they have very much to do with her eating - she tends to 'bite' with the side of her mouth anyway.
A few years ago I watched my Dad - 'between dentures' - put away a full Christmas dinner with all the trimmings: so I can't say it ever occurred to me that it wasn't possible to manage. Beeble tends to mouth food for ages, (and sometimes spits it out, eats something else and then goes back to the 'pre-softened' item) ..and think of all the kids of two or mor that we all probably know who have a fulsome set of gnashers and still have their dinner mushed up...! Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
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scary
on Mon 02 Apr 2007 21:30 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Not a single one when we started. Didn't hinder him in the slightest.
And what is it with babies and pesto? Minimoo can't get enough of it. And he swallows penne WHOLE, I kid you not. I've tried to do it and it just makes me gag. Re: Re: Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
i've got to say, clovis, your description of your dad as 'between dentures' really made me laugh. thanks for that.
Re: Re: Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
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Bigpud
on Tue 26 Jun 2007 16:13 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Apparently my Dh's grandfather could eat an apple using only his gums, having extracted all his own teeth with pliers and a whiskey anaesthetic! (Wierd genetic thing leads to his family believing teeth are 'more trouble than they're worth, get some false ones!!!!)
DH went away with his dad and a toothless crony who ate steak by gumming it to death and sucking all the juice out before replacing chewed meat pulp on his plate. Soooo glad I wasn't there; would've been an adult gagging moment. Re: Re: Re: Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
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Jeni
on Tue 26 Jun 2007 17:38 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
my mum has few or no teeth, she manages to eat quite easily without them and likes her steak very rare lol
Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
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carrie
on Mon 02 Apr 2007 22:07 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
You lucky lucky people Xavier has slowly and surely been getting his nashers since he was 6 months and has 10 now (and is a week short of 11 months) - 2 are molars, which painfully pushed through last night to everyones dismay!
Even with his teeth he gummed happily on all of his food - the only advantage to teeth is that he can eat an apple with amazing speed - oh and nibble on his mommy! If anyone has any tips for mega teething pain, I would love to hear them! x Re: Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
your pain or his? for him, try frozen peas, frozen blueberries and cold celery. for you... dunno.
Re: Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
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Mij
on Mon 02 Apr 2007 22:26 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
First two arrived at about the time we started, in a half-arsed kind of way, giving IzzyMouse bits of food. The next four cut all together, about a month ago and are really taking their time coming down. She used to rip the heads off broccoli with only the bottom two though, and now 'chews' with her gums as others have observed. I think she may be working on a molar now and is favouring uncooked courgette as her teether of choice.
Carrie - personally haven't found anything that really seems to make a difference to the pain, although Weleda teething crystals certainly surprise IzzyMouse enough to take her mind off it for 5 minutes or so, which gives her time to calm down and me time to find something to distract her with. Re: Re: Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
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carrie
on Thu 05 Apr 2007 11:24 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Thanks for the tip - i will give them a try - anything is worth a pop at the moment!!! ps - Aitch - I've found a large glass of red wine helps with mommy's pain - he he.
YoBaby Yoghurt
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lanesmommy
on Tue 03 Apr 2007 02:54 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Has anyone tried YoBaby? How is it that you would feed a baby yoghurt? We aren't spoon feeding, right?
Re: YoBaby Yoghurt
No idea about YoBaby, but i do give Babybear plain natural yoghurt and fruit. as it happens i never spoon fed, but i wouldn't say it's something to get overly stressed about if you feel you want to. a thick greek yoghurt will stick pleasingly to a spoon, however, so i used to hand this over and she would feed herself. very messy, but that's to be expected when they're picking up new skills. if you are going to spoon feed then just be careful to stop when they tell you. and i think dizzy, who regularly contributes here, used to spoon yoghurt onto big pieces of fruit in order to feed her dd yoghurt. good luck, it is frighteningly filthy stuff.
Re: YoBaby Yoghurt
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Lin
on Tue 03 Apr 2007 09:08 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
I do feed Small with a spoon for yoghurt and cereal but I let her dictate the pace. Basically I offer the spoon in front of her, she leans forward, seizes the spoon and crams it in her mouth. I don't put it anywhere near her mouth - she has to do the work! When she doesn't want any more she takes the spoon and puts it very firmly to one side. I know that this isn't the purist form of BLW but I feel comfortable with it as I know that she is leading the feed. And she does love a good yoghurt beard.....
Re: Re: YoBaby Yoghurt
bearing in mind that the premise of BLW is based on such a small piece of qualititative research, i really wouldn't get bothered about approaches purist or otherwise. personally, i think it's a philosophy as much as a method, if you know what i mean? one of respecting boundaries, no trickery, no distraction techniques and no insisting on 'clearing the plate'. self-feeding is important, but i don't think that the occasional use of a spoon for yoghurt puts and end to self-feeding, does it? although for the record if you get mini shredded wheat then that will free you up to drink strong coffee and eat your own muesli in the morning.
Re: Re: Re: YoBaby Yoghurt (& Spoons)
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Lin
on Tue 03 Apr 2007 15:08 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
I totally agree about the philosophy being as important as the method. I think it needs to adapt for each baby/mum partnership and that this adaptability is one of the greatest strengths of BLW. As long as Small is leading, I'll go with anything she seems to be happy about. And she does get very happy about yoghurt.
And DH does the cereal whilst I get a bath - I have my coffee and museli whilst she does toast & prunes. I figured that this seemed a good division on labour quite early on in the BLW experience!! Re: Re: Re: Re: YoBaby Yoghurt (& Spoons)
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lanesmommy
on Wed 04 Apr 2007 03:29 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Thanks. That helps put things into perspective. I just know I have to get peanut something besides carrots! I think he is going to turn into one. I thought the yoghurt would be great. I tell you trying to think of food for the guy is sometimes very hard, I work full time so I rely on his grammy for most of the feedings. So I have to make things that will last more then one day. Anyway thanks! Oh yeah I told peanuts Doctor at his last check up about BLW and she didn't know anything about it but was excited about checking out this site. She said it sounded like it made a lot sense. I thought that was great!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: YoBaby Yoghurt (& Spoons)
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lanesmommy
on Thu 05 Apr 2007 03:04 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Totally sorry i threw that in the middle I thought I was in a differen't place! OOPS!
Yoghurt (& Spoons)!!!!!
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Spingle
on Tue 26 Jun 2007 18:53 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Oh, I am being (baby) led a merry dance by the Nome! I am shamed to say that having made chicken nuggets (for heaven's sake - I never eat these things) for her tea, I then ended up blending her nice fruit and yoghurt salad, as I had absent-mindedly cut the fruit too small for her to safely manage just yet. Little minx refused to hold the spoon, but then did the whole baby bird "feed me" mouth, lurching towards the spoon. Cannot believe she's leading me towards purees! Actually, to be fair, she'd had a pretty good tea, and the chicken nuggets were a way of using up a cooked chicken drumstick that seemed just a little tough - she'd chew, but it would be pretty much wasted. And they were very lovely, actually. (hangs head in shame. goes off to get an Annabel Carmel haircut)
Re: Yoghurt (& Spoons)!!!!!
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Cornish smiler
on Tue 26 Jun 2007 20:10 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
I gave The Samster his first yogurt tonight and fair to say he loved it! I gave him one spoonful, his eyes lit up and then I was loading the spoon and passing it to him. At one point he put the spoon in the bowl himself and popped it into his mouth (via his nose which turned pink with yogurt!!) and I was so pleased - but it was just the once (it'll come!) Of course if he had his way he'd be getting me to spoon feed him everything but we don't play that game do we!!! Needless to say straight up into the bath and I think the water almost turned pink hehehe!!
Happy days Re: Yoghurt (& Spoons)!!!!!
hey! what's wrong with chicken nuggets? Babybear loves them, although of course we snootily refer to them as 'breaded chicken'...
just don't worry about the spoons thing, if the baby wants a bit of yoghurt on a spoon it's hard to see the harm. Re: Yoghurt (& Spoons)!!!!!
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Jeni
on Tue 26 Jun 2007 23:06 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
after looking at annabel carmel, does she have a hair cut? maybe she doesnt get it cut and its moulded or something. probably gives her more time to spend thinking up those lovely, delicious purees...
Re: Re: Yoghurt (& Spoons)!!!!!
by
Spingle
on Wed 27 Jun 2007 09:04 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Oh yes, I know - I've never objected to spoons, but the Nome has previously always insisted on grabbing the spoon and/or picking it up herself. Being led towards "spooning" wasn't part of the plan. Anyway, I was mean this morning, and held the porridge spoon near her hand, but not near enough her gaping beak! I could NOT do this for every meal, I swear. As for chicken nuggets - call a spade a spade, Aitch (but they were really really lovely - used a bit of thick greek yoghurt to bind minced cooked chicken, and it worked really well)
Re: Re: Re: YoBaby Yoghurt
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carrie
on Thu 05 Apr 2007 11:36 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Totally agree, I initally got my knickers in a twist about giving Xavier yogurt on a spoon thinking -"was a faking this whole BLW philosophy??"
But Xavier is a widly independent soul and now he has reached nearly 11 months he is happily spooning the yogurt in - well trying at least - whilst I also spoon a bit in. I figure that if he is happy for us to do this with yogurt (note he wont let me do this with anything else apart from Weetabix), then he is in control and making the decisions, he is learning from me about spooning and everyone is happy. Go with what feels natural for you and your little one - let them lead the way, they know better than us after all. Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
by
Lin
on Tue 03 Apr 2007 09:16 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Small has taken to the 3P diet with fervour - I think she has been reading this website whilst sat on my lap! Its now my infallable litmus test of wellness.
She still has no teeth (she is now 8 months old) and is making heavy weather of the whole teething process. She also goes "off" food but only in the sense that she either wants really hard stuff (crusts) or really soft stuff (mash) and refuses anything in bewtween (bar the 3 P's which she will nobly deign to poke down herself whilst putting a brave face on the pain...) Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
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Eleanor
on Tue 03 Apr 2007 09:23 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
None when we started; now (7 weeks later) she has one, and I've been amazed to see how well she can bite off pieces of ricecake or cucumber with just that one. But she was quite happy chomping and mushing with her gums before that. (And yes, we've had lots of people ask "How can she eat if she doesn't have teeth and you don't mash up her food?")
Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
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dizzybint
on Tue 03 Apr 2007 16:15 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
no teeth. first one came at about 7.5 months. next one at 8.5 months. dd's 1st christmas dinner was at 7 months, had no problem chomping turkey and lamb as well as a whole range of veggies.
Whilst we're on the subject of teeth, how the **** do you clean them?!
by
CSWS
on Tue 03 Apr 2007 21:04 BST | Permanent Link
The rules are very clear in our household - mummy will NOT put anything in or near my mouth! So how on earth am I supposed to get the few teeth that she does have clean?
We've been giving her a toothbrush (loaded with berry flavour toothpaste, which seems to go down much better than mint) for months, and often she'll have a bit of a munch on it, but when she refuses I'm at a loss as to what to do. Anyone like to share their devious methods? Re: Whilst we're on the subject of teeth, how the **** do you clean them?!
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Mij
on Tue 03 Apr 2007 21:14 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Have you tried one of those crazy rubbery thingys? It looks a bit like a mini denture cleaner, and has lots of little rubber nodules rather than bristles. IzzyMouse adores her and I have to wrestle it off her, then pick all the carpet fluff and hair that it's accumulated while being hauled around the house. I can't remember the make, sorry, but got it on a rare trip to Waitrose. And I brush my teeth at the same time, which tends to keep her close and teeth focused at least.
A mate told me her HV said that daily brushing is more about habit and flouride dosing for the first 12 months than actual brushing. Not sure whether to trust that or not. BTW it's ex-lindygirl here. Sick of dodgy moniker chosen by drunken mate and fancied a change. Re: Re: Whilst we're on the subject of teeth, how the **** do you clean them?!
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CSWS
on Tue 03 Apr 2007 22:01 BST | Permanent Link
Yes - that's the weird contraption that we have, and we have had more success with it than with her regular toothbrush, but still not enough. The 'first 12 months' thing might be problem, as she's nearly 14 months now, but maybe I can read that as the 'first 12 months wiith teeth' in which case we still have a way to go!
Re: Whilst we're on the subject of teeth, how the **** do you clean them?!
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JennT
on Tue 03 Apr 2007 21:16 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
'Fraid it's MUMMY IS BOSS when it comes to cleaning teeth in our house. Clean teeth are too important to fart around with being nice. If dd not playing nicely with the aaaaahhhs and open mouth then arms are clamped by the side and it doesn't take that long and toothbrush inserted when objection is raised. It helps if she sees you clean your teeth first. When she is old enough to understand I will tell her that I don't have any fillings because I clean my teeth properly twice a day.
Re: Re: Whilst we're on the subject of teeth, how the **** do you clean them?!
do a search for 'toothbrushing' and you'll find some other comments. i give Babybear her own Maws toothbrush first then one of those plasticy things as well.
Re: Re: Re: Whilst we're on the subject of teeth, how the **** do you clean them?!
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CSWS
on Tue 03 Apr 2007 22:09 BST | Permanent Link
You really should have a been a Blue Peter presenter with all your 'here's one I prepared earlier' ways!
I use an electric toothbrush normally - I guess I'm going to have to get a normal one too for dd's benefit. I think dh sometimes brushes at the same time when he baths her, so must ask if he thinks it makes any difference. Re: Re: Whilst we're on the subject of teeth, how the **** do you clean them?!
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CSWS
on Tue 03 Apr 2007 22:02 BST | Permanent Link
Can you come round about 7:45 pm each night and do my dd's for me too please? [helpless nice mummy emoticon]
Re: Whilst we're on the subject of teeth, how the **** do you clean them?!
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Thell
on Tue 03 Apr 2007 22:46 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
A few things sometimes help-
* a clear 'Mummy's Turn' then 'Angel's Turn' - and I keep telling her too * holding her up so that she can see herself in the mirror whilst I'm brushing * JennT's method of restraint and brushing during the open-mouthed yelling - coupled with lots of praise for opening her mouth!! hee hee! PS- RE how many teeth
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Thell
on Tue 03 Apr 2007 22:49 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Angelcake had 2 teeth at 4 months, so she made do with those, up til about 9 months.
Those lone two at the bottom actually seemed to be a bit of a hindrance, as she could stick them into food but not much else. She'd then have to extricate herself from it before moving on. She produced lots of bits of the firmer foods with puncture holes. Re: Whilst we're on the subject of teeth, how the **** do you clean them?!
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Stompy
on Wed 04 Apr 2007 12:55 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
I just wrap a damp washcloth around my finger and rub it across the Wrigglor's teeth.
Also, on the original topic of teeth and BLW: he has two bottom teeth (came through at 5 months, about 2 weeks before introducing solid foods); and the front top ones are now visible lumps under the gums so I expect I will be nipped during breastfeeds fairly soon *sigh*. He uses his teeth sometimes, eg. to scrape the flesh of a nectarine, but a lot of the time he sucks on food as if it were my nipple. At first, this behaviour made me think that maybe he wasn't ready for solid foods at all (whether by BLW or not), but over time, he has got better and better at using his tongue to move food around his mouth and squash food against the roof of his mouth to 'chew' it. Re: Whilst we're on the subject of teeth, how the **** do you clean them?!
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whomovedmychocolate
on Wed 27 Jun 2007 23:32 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
This is going to sound horrible BUT - I put one finger in one side of her mouth, the toothbrush in with the other and hold her arms down using my feet, on the changing mat. We tried everything else and in her dad's side of the family they are all in dentures because they have early onset gum disease and erosion.
Re: Re: Whilst we're on the subject of teeth, how the **** do you clean them?!
LOLOL! you've instituted a pindown regime in your own home, how very retro. it's grim, isn't it? i've taken to sitting her in my lap, wrapping my legs round hers and holding her b the forehead. lots of 'nearly done, nearly done' until the final 'all done' and i can let her escape.
Re: Re: Re: Whilst we're on the subject of teeth, how the **** do you clean them?!
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Quokka
on Thu 28 Jun 2007 08:34 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
My LO got his first 2 teeth at 4 1/2 mths, and his 3rd this week at 6 mths - the top two are also trying to appear at the moment. We brush his teeth whilst he's in the bath, he holds the toothbrush and chews it! We figure that gets the 3 he has and will hopefully get him used to a toothbrush - very baby led!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Whilst we're on the subject of teeth, how the **** do you clean them?!
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Tinkerbelle's Mummy
on Thu 28 Jun 2007 14:58 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Tinkerbelle loves brushing her teeth, I've never had her in the bathroom while doing mine - not enough room - yet she seems to know what to do. I brushed them once for her and then the next time she took it off of me. She will let me go over them, but with her "Mother!" face on!
Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
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tracyj
on Wed 04 Apr 2007 14:14 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
PMSL at the granny and lamb chop comment. Having a manic day and needed a diversion. Thanks.
Anyway, Pumpkin didn't have any teeth when we started but that didn't seem to stop her demolishing her food. She got her first tooth on Christmas Eve (8 months) and now has 6 so its probably no surprise that the last few months have been a bit up and down with regards to eating. Anyone know about pate
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carrie
on Thu 05 Apr 2007 11:29 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
A little question to you all.
I have recently given Xavier pate on toast with other bits and bobs as a quick and easy meal full of vitamin A and iron etc. Not being a lover of pate myself I looked on the back of the pack with horror to the amount of c*ap that they put in it?!? I normally cook most things for our little trouble, but have to admit I really dont want to mess around cooking pate as liver makes me feel sick - yuk!! Can anyone recommend a nice and healthy and reasonably additive free pate that I can give Xavier without a string of guilt and E numbers??? Ta....Carrie Re: Anyone know about pate
sorry, no idea. but it's easy-peasy to make your own chicken liver pate and i personally find that they aren't as unnappealing to cook.
Re: Re: Anyone know about pate
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carrie
on Thu 05 Apr 2007 11:57 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Really, as i am such a chicken with liver...childhood trauma i think! Do you have the recipe at all - god i feel that is all i ask for on this site!
Re: Re: Re: Anyone know about pate
your wish is my command. look over to the left of the page. i've got to say, chicken livers are a bit fluffier and less rubbery than lambs' liver, so don't worry too much.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Anyone know about pate
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carrie
on Thu 05 Apr 2007 12:50 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Cheers Aitch - here goes dealing with my food fobia....fingers crossed!
What we do for bloo*y motherhood! Carrie Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
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fibernie
on Thu 05 Apr 2007 22:07 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
None! She still has none! She's fifteen months and has two white bumps at the top which we think will come through in the next couple of weeks. The only things I don't give her are anything which might break off into chokable chunks... otherwise she eats more or less what we do. I think more about whether she can pick it up rather than whether she can chew it!
Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
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Poppetsmum
on Thu 12 Apr 2007 16:49 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
None! DD was 9mths before she got her first teeth and she never seemed to have any probs with any food. In fact she was more than capable of biting through a tomato or whole pear with out batting an eyelid!!
Re: Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
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Cornish smiler
on Tue 26 Jun 2007 17:08 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Absolutely no teeth (only 6 months old) but gets through most things with a good old gumming!!!!
Re: Re: Re: How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
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Anonymous
on Tue 26 Jun 2007 22:06 BST | Permanent Link
At almost 9mths Chops still has no teeth but it seems to make no difference tbh, she'll devour most things put in front of her.
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