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View Article  Our Very Best, most Topping Top Tips for People Getting Started
I know there's already a section called Top Tips but it hasn't seen any action in a while, and it has occurred to me that there are many people using this blog whose experiences have not yet been mined.

So, what are our best top tips? I mean, we've got the ones about the splash mats, the cheapo highchairs and ignoring our mothers-in-law, and I've heard tell that a crinkle-cutter can be useful when starting off (especially if you happen to be living in 1978) - but what else?

View Article  The Never-fail Recipes
Come on ladies. What are the meals that mean you know, just know, that your child is ill if they don't throw themselves at the plate without hesitation.

I'd have to say that ours is still the ever-reliable pasta, pesto and peas. In fact, rather pleasingly, the first time Babybear put words together a few months ago was to request 'pasta e peas' in a pleasingly semi-Italian style.

Apart from that, it's roast chicken all the way. And oatcakes, which are simply known as 'biscuits' in our house and thus cover a multitude of snacky sins. The day will come when someone will give her a Jaffa Cake and the scales will fall from her eyes.
View Article  A modern take on the Clara M. Davis paper
You know, the one I said you should read because it is unbelievably interesting and most of you never bothered because you're too busy steaming carrot sticks? Honestly, what are you mothers of young babies like? It's almost like you can't find the time to read half-bonkers old research that is only tangentially linked to BLW...

So I asked my good friend Amanda Kvalsvig, who is the proud possessor of a fine scientific mind as well as being a confirmed BLWer, to have a gander at the documents and interpret them from a more modern standpoint. Because I am aware that I approached them from more of a gawping 'eeeeuw, cod liver oil... yuk yuk sheep's brains etc' perspective and am therefore unqualified to comment.






"This report is based on two papers:
  • Davis CM. Results of the self-selection of diets by young children. Can Med Assoc J 1939;41:257-61
  •  Strauss, Stephen. Clara M. Davis and the wisdom of letting children choose their own diets. CMAJ 2006 175: 1199

 

What was Dr Davis’ experiment?

Her main research question was “What will babies eat if they’re given free choice?”

 

To answer this, she observed 15 children over a period of 6 years. Every day, they were offered a selection of 33 different foods, and observers noted what they chose to eat and how much they ate. A key point of the experiment was that mealtimes were set up to prevent the staff from influencing what the babies ate.

 

The diets of the children were then analysed and compared with the standard diet recommended for children at the time (the 1920s). The children’s health was monitored by physical and biochemical examinations and by X-rays of their bones.

 

What did she find?

When the children’s food choices were analysed, they were found to be very different from each other and from the standard diet of the time. But, interestingly, when the diets were examined as a whole, they showed similar patterns of energy intake and proportions of proteins, carbohydrate and fats.

 

Dr Davis reports that the children were very healthy and were remarkably free of the common childhood diseases of the time. Five of the children had rickets at the start of the experiment, and the rickets resolved without medical treatment – apart from one child with severe rickets who spontaneously drank cod liver oil. The radiologist at the children’s hospital was very excited at the “beautiful calcification” of the bones on the children’s X rays.

 

Although some of the children were undernourished when they arrived, this evened out until there were no notably fat or thin children.

 

How does the experiment look to us in 2007?

Ironically, one of the things that makes this experiment very interesting and important is the fact that there is no chance of it ever being repeated, because experimenting on institutionalised children in this way is now agreed to be totally unethical.

 

There are other problems with her study from the science point of view. One of the main problems is the very small sample size: only 15 children were studied. What this means is that we need to be very cautious about applying the findings to all children. It’s possible that in a larger group of children there would have been some who didn’t thrive.

 

Another difficulty is the lack of a control group. It’s likely that factors other than diet contributed to the health of these children. There should have been a control group of children selected in the same way, living in the same place, with lives identical to the experimental children in every way except diet. That way, any differences between the groups could clearly be attributed to diet.

 

Clara Davis and other health professionals were very impressed with the health of the children, but a modern researcher would be concerned about the possibility of observer bias. Humans tend to see what they expect to see, especially if they have a personal interest in what they’re seeing. In a modern study, the children’s health would be monitored by independent observers who didn’t know anything about their diet.

 

In addition to the design and conduct of the study, to a modern researcher there are concerns about the way the results were reported. Dr Davis describes the study and gives us her conclusions, but doesn’t present the results in any detail. Would we have drawn the same conclusions from her results? We can’t tell.

 

This is important because there have been many changes in knowledge and practice of nutrition. A modern researcher looking at Clara Davis’ results might well put a different interpretation on them.

 

Should we just disregard the study altogether then?

Absolutely not. Even with the above reservations, it’s very interesting to see that these children managed to choose a healthy diet on their own. Although all the foods on offer were considered healthy (some wouldn’t be recommended nowadays), the children could easily have selected an unhealthy diet by eating just 2 or 3 favourite foods – yet they didn’t.

 

There’s a strong biological plausibility to the idea that children will instinctively choose a balanced diet. In fact, the survival advantage is so clear that it would be surprising if children didn’t do this. The only problem is that modern society has developed a number of foodstuffs which might deceive that instinct by being, for example, intensely sweet without having the nutritional benefits of naturally sweet foods such as fruit and root vegetables.

 

Clara Davis’ experiment worked because the food selected by the children had already been pre-selected to include only natural flavours. This 2-tier system is similar to what happens in baby-led weaning: babies choose whether or not to eat something, but their parents determine what’s on offer.

 

So was Clara Davis a BLW-er?

Yes and no. In one respect, this was very definitely baby–led weaning, because the babies had a free choice of the type and quantity of food that they ate.

 

However, Dr Davis was primarily interested in appetite and diet (what they ate) rather than feeding (how they ate). The food was “finely cut, mashed and ground” to make it suitable for spoonfeeding (although it seems some babies just used their hands anyway). This meant that the babies weren’t limited by their ability to pick up or chew the food they chose. In the end this might not have made much difference, as these babies were weaned at an older age than modern babies and had (as far as we know) normal development, so it’s likely that they would have coped just as well if presented with lumpy food."




View Article  What do we know about Acid Reflux?
Hello there you lot. I received this email the other day and thought you might find it interesting. I was lucky that Babybear didn't suffer from reflux or even colic, thank goodness, so it's not a subject I know anything about really.

So I'm really grateful to Hamstermum for bringing the subject to our attention, because from the looks of things it changes an approach to BLW quite a bit, not least because babies with reflux are often advised to be weaned earlier than the standard WHO 6-month guideline. But as you know I consider BLW to be a broad church, so feeding done with a BLW-head on, as it were, is all to the good.

Any other thoughts or insights gratefully appreciated. (I did consider cutting out the compliments by the way and then thought, sod it, why bother? They refect well on everyone who has taken the time to contribute their own experiences on here so I'm leaving them exactly where they are.) Thanks again to everyone for their help.

"Hi Aitch,

Just thought I'd drop you a line as I've found your blog absolutely invaluable over the last couple of weeks - the blog bandwidth being exceeded lately was all down to me, I'm sure! But I also wanted to pass on my experiences because I haven't seen anything mentioned on it about acid reflux, which my little one has had since birth and now at 11 months, seems to be getting over, thank heavens!

If you didn't know already, Gastro Esophagal Reflux Disease (GERD) is where the acid in the tummy escapes back up the baby's throat, irritating and potentially damaging the soft tissues. Babes had a lot of the classic symptoms of 'silent' acid reflux (no actual throwing up): screaming in pain several times during the night being the most troublesome for all of us, but also the car seat, nappy changing, and tight clothing could set her off - any time when her tummy was constricted in any way or she was laid flat. She also never broke free from the normal 3-month period for nightly colic, and was always fussy and agitated after 4pm til she fell asleep. She also seemed to have some food sensitivities. I tried BLW when she was 6 months but she got very worked up over her food, seemed to wolf things down without enjoying or exploring them, and her night waking got worse. It took me a long time to figure out exactly what worked best for her - pureed gentle veggies being the best and no baby rice or fruit (both acid) - and with other measures like sleeping her at an angle, she gradually got better and better (the most helpful web resources for us listed below). Babes' acid reflux was definitely aggravated by lumps or whole pieces of food, whereas purees mixed with breast milk soothed her throat. But much improved at nine months, she suddenly got really hungry, and one day refused to take anything off a spoon and only wanted to feed herself. Back to BLW!

I can't thank you enough for both the fun and the information on your blog - it's superb. Until I had a really good read of your blog I thought Babes was a terrible eater (only one proper meal a day at 10 months, rest just picking), but she is a BLW-er through and through, refusing bottles and formula milk til 9 months, and now healthy and happy to choose her own food when SHE wants to. I'm sure that some of the purees I fed her caused her pain (apple and baby rice being one) so I suspect she has a bit of food or spoon fear which only BLW can conquer.

It's SO reassuring to read the comments that everyone else has posted on your blog - after months of feeling miserable about feeding Babes, the honesty, humour and sheer depth of information (inc poo analysis!)have helped make feeding fun for both of us at last :-)

Lots of Love,
HamsterMum and Babes

Reflux info:
www.askdrsears.com has lots on colicky and fussy babies, and helps identify reflux - I would never have known about reflux as a potential cause of the night waking (she fed every two hours, small enough amounts that she rarely threw up)
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/breastfeedingreflux/
great comfort when going gets tough. Also pointed me towards elimination diet which really helped. Babes would only take milk from the breast, and things in my diet were definitely affecting her - 3 weeks of eliminating all potential allergenic foods, and then introducing a new food every 3 or 4 days into my diet and hers. Was very slow but definitely helped. I know now that protein in my diet gives her problems. She's a fiend for Quorn - has it every day!
See Dr Sears above for the basic elimation diet.
www.reflux.org - very helpful site with diagnosis lists and advice on how to treat the problem


View Article  Vanilla would like to ask a question about older BLW children and fussiness...
Fussy or just exercising freedom of choice?
by Vanilla on Wed 11 Jul 2007 15:06 BST |  Profile |  Permanent Link
This question is aimed at those with older BLW children........

I'm interested to know if any of your LO's are showing signs of being fussy, or is it just exercising freedom of choice?

The Pickle (14 months) definitely has a preference for different foods on her plate meaning that some items NEVER get a look in. Do you think this is fussiness? Or maybe a phase? I wonder if the theory that BLW produces children who are not fussy eaters is entirely correct or does nature rather than nurture play a bigger part in it.

The Pickle still won't touch broccoli, will not touch raw tomatoes either which is interesting considering my sister and grandfather both would not touch them due to the texture being utterly disgusting to them. Maybe this is a family trait?? She certainly doesn't seem to be phased by new foods put in front of her and will generally give them a go at least once at a meal.

Wondered what other LO's are doing............




To which I say - I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that broccoli can taste disgusting to some people and it is an inherited trait. Although I may have read it in The Big Book Of Science Non-Facts. And Babybear never ate raw tomatoes either and has developed an allergy in the last few months so I'm going along with the Gill Rapley thinking that she was avoiding them because she knew she was sensitized to them. Must pop off now, am supposed to be working...

View Article  Some ACTUAL RESEARCH into something a wee bit like BLW - Clara M. Davis. Paediatrician, Canadian, Ethicist.
...only one of those things isn't true.

Anyway, loads of super-interesting things here. Clara was a Canadian paediatrician who procured (and I think procured was the word) 15 infants of weaning age in the 1930s and experimented by letting them feed themselves from a range of foods to see if they would end up healthy or not. Oooooh, there's so much here to gladden the heart of a BLWer. Not to mention the definition of weaning age as 'between 6-11 months', which rather puts the 'these guidelines change every week' mob's gas in a peep. As we say in Bonnie Scotland.

Of course, it's a little on the woolly side because there's no actual data, but it's fascinating stuff. And the ethics of it, my god, it would never be allowed today or at least I bloomin' well hope so.

And to those of you who are thinking... 'didn't I read this post before..?' Well, you did. And somehow this crummy blogware deleted it. I've noticed it happening elsewhere, too. First they shut me down for exceeding bandwidth and now this. Ladies, I fear the day that this software and I part company is fast approaching.

View Article  BLW guidelines in French. En Francais! Je kid vous not!
Lansgrim did this, isn't that cool? Round of applause please. Apparently she already knows she's left bits out, so I don't want to hear any complaints from you multi-lingual types.





“Baby Led Weaning” (diversification alimentaire géré par le bébé)

Une guide et des informations

 

Ecrit par Gill Rapley

E-mail

 

 

 

 

Gill Rapley est Directrice adjointe des programmes de l’Initiative des Amis du Bébé chez UNICEF. Elle est ancienne puéricultrice, sage-femme, a été formée en allaitement maternelle chez le NCT (National Childbirth Trust – l’Organisation National de l’Accouchement – les bénévoles formées et expérimentées qui rendent visite à des jeunes mamans chez elles à la sortie de la maternité pour aider avec tout ce qui concerne la jeune maman et le nouveau-né) et consultante en lactation.

 

Gill dit : « L’approche où c’est le bébé qui gère l’introduction de l’alimentation solide est basée sur du bon sens. Ce n’est ni nouveau, ni ‘la mienne’. Beaucoup de mères qui ont plus d’un enfant l’a découverte. »

Une guide pour implémenter une approche où le bébé gère l’introduction de l’alimentation solide.

Introduction

Implémenter une approche où le bébé gère l’introduction de l’alimentation solide demande une compréhension de ce qui rend cette approche logique et en sécurité. La première section ci-dessous explique les raisons et les principes qui soutiennent cette méthode de sevrage et la dernière section, les A FAIRE et les A NE PAS FAIRE, donne une liste rapide de références avec les points clés. Adhérer à ce guide donnera plus de chance à ce que le bébé et ses parents aimeront la transition à une alimentation diversifiée, et aidera à assurer le bien-être du bébé.

 

Des bébés, normaux et allaités au sein, semblent être parfaitement capable, avec le bon soutien de leurs parents, de gérer leur propre introduction à une alimentation solide.

Les raisons pour cette approche :

1) Allaitement maternel comme base pour cette approche
Allaitement maternel exclusif est recommandé pour les 6 premiers mois de vie. C’est la préparation idéale pour cette approche. Un bébé nourri au sein se nourrit à son propre rythme – il est d’ailleurs impossible de les faire faire autrement ! Ils décident la durée de chaque tétée et comme le goût du lait maternel varie selon ce que la mère a mangé le bébé est préparé pour des goûts différents.

2) Comprendre la motivation du bébé
Cette approche propose au bébé la possibilité de découvrir ce que les aliments peuvent lui offrir lors de sa découverte du monde autour de lui. Elle utilise son désir d’explorer et expérimenter et d’imiter les activités des autres. Permettre au bébé de mettre le rythme de chaque repas, et de maintenir l’accent sur jouer et explorer plutôt que manger, permet la transition à une alimentation diversifiée de se passer le plus naturellement que possible. Il semble que ceci est parce que c’est la curiosité qui motive au lieu de la faim.

Il n’y a aucune raison pour laquelle les heures de repas (solide) se passent en même temps que les heures des tétées. D’ailleurs, penser aux tétées et l’introduction aux solides à deux activités séparées permettra une approche plus relaxe et rendra l’expérience plus agréable pour les parents et l’enfant.

 

3) Il ne va pas s’étouffer ?

Beaucoup de parents s’inquiètent que leur bébé va s’étouffer. Mais il y a plus de raisons à croire que le bébé va s’étouffer en étant nourri par la cuillère qu’en se nourrissant. Ceci est parce que le bébé n’est pas capable de bouger la nourriture vers le fond de la gorge avant d’avoir appris à mâcher. Et il ne développe pas l’agilité de mâcher avant de développer l’agilité d’attraper les choses. Donc un petit bébé ne peut pas se mettre à risque car il n’arrive pas à mettre la nourriture dans sa bouche. Par contre, l’action utilisée pour aspirer la nourriture sur une cuillère l’amène directement au fond de la gorge qui peut provoquer un étouffement.

 

Il faut résister à la tentation « d’aider » le bébé s’il n’arrive pas à se nourrir car ceci veut dire qu’il n’est pas prêt à mâcher et avaler. Ce sont ses propres agilités de développement qui assurent que le passage aux solides se passe au bon rythme pour lui. Ce processus le garde aussi en sécurité par rapport aux petits morceaux de nourriture (raisin, petit pois, etc.), car s’il n’est pas capable de les mâcher, il ne sera pas capable de les ramasser avec son pouce et son doigt et de les amener à sa bouche. Mettre de la nourriture dans la bouche d’un bébé arrête cette protection naturelle et augmente le risque d’étouffement.


Un bébé qui se nourrit devrait toujours être dans une position bien assise afin que tout objet qu’il n’est pas capable d’avaler, ou qu’il ne veut pas avaler tombe de sa bouche en avant plutôt que en arrière vers la gorge.


Malgré tout cela il faut toujours respecter les règles de sécurité comme à n’importe quel autre moment avec le bébé, par exemple il ne faut pas laisser les cacahuètes près de sa chaise haute.

4) Assurer une bonne nutrition

Les bébés qui se nourrissent acceptent une grande variété d’aliments, car il y a le goût, la texture, la couleur, la taille, la forme donc c’est comme un jeu. En plus il peut séparer les aliments qu’il aime et ceux qu’il n’aime pas ce qui n’est pas le cas avec une purée d’aliments mélangés où il risque de tout rejeter pour un seul ingrédient pas aimé. Proposer les aliments séparés mais sur la même assiette permet le bébé de prendre ses propres décisions sur le mélange.


Il faut noter qu’un bébé n’a pas besoin de dents pour mordre et mâcher – les gencives font l’affaire !

Il ne faut pas couper la nourriture en petits morceaux – une idée pour la taille et la forme est de la couper comme une grosse frite, comme ça le bébé peut l’attraper et l’amener à sa bouche sans problème.

Pour les boissons on peut proposer une tasse d’eau en même temps que la nourriture mais il ne faut pas s’inquiéter si le bébé n’en veut pas car le lait maternel continue à étancher son soif. Pour tout ce qui est tétée le bébé décidera lui-même quand il veut diminuer la quantité par rapport à ce qu’il mange en dehors des tétées.

Les « A FAIRE » et les « A NE PAS FAIRE » de cette approche


NE PAS FAIRE

Ne le précipitez pas – laissez-le mettre son propre rythme, surtout ne « l’aidez » pas en mettant des choses dans sa bouche.

NE PAS FAIRE
Ne soyez pas étonner si votre bébé ne mange pas beaucoup au début, une fois qu’il a découvert que ces nouveaux jouets ont un bon goût il commencera à mâcher puis à avaler.

A FAIRE 
Soyez préparé pour le désordre ! Mais vous serez étonné de voir la vitesse à laquelle votre bébé apprend à manger en faisant pas beaucoup de désordre.

Finalement profitez de ces moments en regardant votre bébé apprendre les plaisirs de la nourriture et développer les dextérités de sa bouche et ses mains en même temps – c’est vraiment magique !

 


View Article  What age did they get the hang of self-feeding?
I'm putting this up as a poll because it's the sort of thing that must get really worrying after a while if your baby is proving reluctant. We know that 'until they're one it's just for fun' but no one really wants that theory tested to destruction, do they?

On the Yahoo FAQ on the left they say that loads of their babies took right up to the year before they started eating in any great quanitities, but I'd have to say that Babybear took to it quickly. Not three meals a day, god no, we took it very slowly indeed but I'd have to admit that was partly through my laziness.

So what about everyone else? Did they all take to self-feeding like ducklings to water? Are these babies who only eat tiny amounts really only eating tiny amounts or are parents being fooled by ginormous jars of baby food into expecting too much? To give you an example, if Babybear managed to smush half a carrot stick into her hair at the beginning I counted it as a successful mealtime. But that was easy because so long as I saw a fleck of orange in her nappy the following day it gave me the confidence to carry on. I don't know how I would have felt without that evidence... hhhhhhmmmm. Anyone else?
View Article  When Is Weaning Over?
Regardless of whether you are planning to spoon feed purees or abandon your infant to forage for finger food (aka Baby Led Weaning), the idea of giving your little darling their first solid food is a little daunting. Or it was to me, at any rate, hence this blog.

But what people don't tell you, I think, is how short a stage weaning actually is. It's teensy, really. Babybear ate well from pretty much the very beginning and if anything her intake was moderated more by my lack of organisation than any unwillingness to eat. Now, other babies don't take to it so quickly but even if it takes the full six months or more it's nothing in the scheme of things, is it?

And I think that's why the nature of this blog has changed over the last while. It's coming up to a year since Babybear grabbed her first piece of peach and I've thought of her as weaned for ages now. I take out bits and bobs for her to eat, but I don't have to (and never have really) as she can have an apple from a fruit shop or a supermarket sandwich with the best of us. So that's why I'm increasingly interested in finding out how things went for everyone else, as my own experience is less and less relevant, while yours is more and more.

So when was Babybear actually weaned, then? Taking it from her milk feeds dropping back to morning and night, I'd say 14 months. But when did she become confident and competent enough to feed herself a good meal without gagging, getting distracted or taking an interminable time? At not much more than nine or ten months, I'd say. Anyone else?
View Article  How do we cook our meat? (Veggies look away now)
As I recall, the first big hunk of meat that Babybear had was a piece of pork fillet done on her grandmother's George Foreman Grill and boy oh boy she loved it. We then moved on to roast chicken, but not the breast meat as it had a tendency to break up and make her cough. And not minced meat either for the same reason. Casseroles, on the other hand, were a source of great delight.
A month or so later, however, and there was no stopping her. With the advent of the pincer grip, however, she had decided that big fist-sized pieces were for kids and wanted her meat cut up into bite-sized pieces.
As to how we actually cook it, well, there's not much grilling of meat goes on in this house, with the exception of bacon. I never really think meat responds that well to a domestic grill to be honest. So it's frying, braising, casseroling all the way here until someone buys me a Georgie Foreman.

View Article  We need a poll about what happens when they're one...
Does it stop being fun?

Here's what I think...

Babybear really, really didn't cut back her milk when the clock struck midnight on her first birthday. I think I remember totting it up and she was on about 30oz a day.

She did, however, cut it back over the next few months and has been on the HV's recommended 14-20oz since, say, 14 months. Correspondingly her food intake went up, particularly at breakfast and dinner. Lunchtime she's still a bit easy-oasy about, she has a long nap between about 11am and 1pm and I think she prefers to eat little and often in the afternoons.

I admit that I did get a bit stressed about the milk thing as 12 months loomed, just because all the books talk about cutting back milk in favour of solids and, you know, the whole 'just for fun until they're one'. But you know, the great advantage of BLW (it seems to me, anyway) is that it does give you the full six months to get your head round feeding your child, so the idea of a 'balanced diet' doesn't seem as unlikely as it did in those first few heady weeks.

Anyway, what do all you 'oldies' think, I think it might be really helpful for people starting out. (Plus someone asked me to post on this and I've lost her email, so I can't give her the due credit...)
View Article  Salt - how much do we care?
I mean I know I should care, really, but I can't make myself. I've given away our breadmaker and everything. (To be fair, I wouldn't have done if I had more counter space but it was just So Big).

To give you a historic spin on the matter, my great-grandma had to be physically restrained from sprinkling salt on my food when I was a baby as according to her just a few grains would stimulate the taste buds. Now, presumably that means my mother and grandmother had endured the same treatment and yet their kidneys haven't failed.

I appreciate, however, that a sample of two isn't scientifically compelling. Not only that, food has changed a lot since those days and processing adds layers of salt that we don't even taste any more. But I'd still have to say that it's not something I'm enormously troubled by. I don't add salt to things like pasta or veg, and we never add any at the dinner table, so I don't really pay much attention to salt in ham, cheese and bread since Babybear's turned one. Plus we've always preferred unsalted butter.

We do add a bit of veal stock to casseroles and maybe some reduced salt Marigold to soups (although is it only me or does it make things taste awfully same-y?) so I think that makes us fairly virtuous on the salt front. Plus, Babybear drinks water well, so I'm not worried about dehydration.

Am I kidding myself, however? Should I be more stressed about it? What do you lot do? Answers on a postcard please...
View Article  If they hate something, how long a gap do you leave before trying it again?
Credit where credit's due,  it was actually Mij, mother to the delectable Small, who wanted this question asked but truth be told it was on my list anyway.

You may have seen me comment (whinge, even) that Babybear had gone off carrot entirely and I don't know about you but I'm not so fussed for the stuff that I bothered offering it again for months. However we were at a pal's house and my friend chopped some up and left it out for the babies. Whether a natural competitive streak was activated or she just decided to give it another shot I don't know, but Babybear is now addicted to it once more. So much so that she points at the fridge and says 'ca-ott', which is the sort of thing that encourages you to get the peeler out qick-smart. In fact, such has been her great delight in carrot and her ability to demand it  that she now enjoys 'green carrot' (okay... cucumber), another veggie that she'd long since abandoned.

So I'm not sure I've answered the question, though... I suppose I don't bother not offering food, if you see what I mean? Because we tend to plonk what we are eating onto her highchair she just gets what she gets, the poor child. On the one hand that means that spinach goes from her tray to the floor in one easy move as she appears to loathe the stuff but it certainly wouldn't prevent me from just giving it to her every time we have it. On the other, she is presumably encouraged to eat by the sight of her parents scarfing it down so hopefully she will return to it one day...

Oh, I don't think I've explained that very well, to be honest... can anyone else help?
View Article  Recommendations for food on the move
Following on from the Snacks question, what have we all found to be the best food to take out and about?

I'm rarely found without raisins about my person, which I'm not sure is such a brilliant thing as they are really just a big wallop of sugar, aren't they? Likewise rice-cakes, just the plain Cow & Gate ones and Moon Biscuits or oat cakes. They're the sort of things that live in my buggy bag for emergencies.

We are, I'm very glad to say, back to eating carrots so I often chop them up and bring them out. I have in desperation bough a bag of carrot batons at the supermarket but was most perturbed to see that the instructions said that you should wash them before eating them, which was not at all practical so Babybear and I lived most dangerously and scoffed the lot.

Cucumber is a straight no, banana a yes so long as she isn't eating in the buggy as it's tricky to get out of the upholstery. I'm trying madly to think of other things as we don't really take out lunch any more unless it's just a wee sarnie but I have fond memories of Moomin's Onion Bhajis on the move.

Anything else? There must be loads of foods that I've forgotten about that were great for those endless maternity leave coffee mornings...
View Article  Snacks?
Another general poll-type question removed from the comment bit by emergency 'copter...
I'll post it now and give my answers later as I'm a bit pressed for time right now.



"by vanillapickle on Fri 13 Apr 2007 10:03 BST  |  Permanent Link


With regards to snacks - this may sound like an obvious question (and let's face it probably is...) what sort of a snack/mealtime timetable to you do? At the mo we do breakfast 8 am ish, lunch 12-12.30 pm ish, snack mid afternoon, evening meal at 5-5.30 pm ish. But after huge snack tantrum yesterday I'm wondering if that isn't enough?????

The other day she put away a whole hot cross bun (a lovely organic one full of sultanas which she liberated from the rest of the bun and ate separately) in the afternoon and then didn't really eat her meal later...... "

View Article  What do you do when the baby refuses their food?
I'm re-posting this for Mij. It's an interesting one, as it rather challenges what we are doing with BLW. My answer, to be honest, is just to offer a few things. But veg for veg, fruit for fruit. And to my mind, it's not the eating that counts, it's the trying. So long as Babybear has lifted something to her mouth a couple of times then she's as entitled as I am not to like it.

Until she was one, I genuinely never bothered as I knew that Babybear would drink as much milk as she needed so she was in no way being deprived. I think that now I am more conscious that she gets protein, carbs etc but I've stuck to counting things up over a few days rather than every day. This means that she eats a lot of broccoli and peas, in reality, but if we are having salad she is always offered some.  I don't think that's the worst thing in the world, though, a lot of mothers of 16-month-olds would be delighted to have a baby who eats broccoli.

Anyway, he're Mij's post.

"What do you do when babe is not interested in what you're offering?
by Mij on Thu 12 Apr 2007 20:32 BST |  Profile |  Permanent Link
I guess this sort of qualifies as a 'poll type question', but it's also a current issue for us. Bat's fabulous sweetcorn pattie things, lovingly crafted by yours truly, was just swiped off the table with a look of disdain (I'll admit they were a bit eggy, totally my fault, but they weren't *that* bad). As that was pretty much all I had in the house, having just returned from Easter break, I was forced to fall back on those outrageously expensive Moon Biscuits, which IzzyMouse laid waste to.

So, I guess my question is, when the meal you've planned is refused, do you offer more stuff? What, and for how long? Until you hit on the thing the LO will eat? Do you fall back on the thing you know they love? If madame was a toddler, I'd be saying 'well I'm afraid that's all there is', assuming I was fairly confident she usually liked said meal, or at least its constituent parts. I know we're not supposed to worry about quantity, but the 'well that's it, you'll be going to bed with no supper' approach felt a little harsh. Particularly as she'll probably make up for it with feeds in the night (saints preserve us, will they ever end...)"


By the way, Babybear wasn't so keen on the sweetcorn patties hot but liked them very much cold. I'm finding that with a lot of beanburgery-type things. I can see, though, that it's more of a pain if you are BFing. Hope you get some answers.


View Article  Weaning Myths?
What are a few of your favourites?

I'd like to start with:

'Your baby will sleep through the night'

Er, my baby did sleep through the night, right up until the moment that she started eating solids. Thank God it didn't take too long for her to re-settle.



'You have to start with mild flavours'

Gawd, no. You should see Babybear's face when confronted with mild cheddar. She just point blank refuses, absolutely disgusted that something which looks like delicious mature cheddar would taste like whipped milky fat.


Any others? Apart from, of course, the obvious...

'You've got to start with purees, so they can get used to the idea of eating.'

Waaaahahaaaah.


View Article  These little 'poll' type questions...
Frankly I think they're the best thing on the blog... I'm loving reading about everyone else's experiences and I've had good feedback from newbies that they are enjoying them too.

So my question is, where should I put them? They're in Random Thoughts at the mo but should I put up another folder and if so what should I call it? Or should I put them into the FAQ? Actually, should  we think about doing our own FAQ? We surely must know enough by now...

Plus, any questions that you have that might make a good wee 'poll'... send them to my email and I'll post them up.


View Article  How do we really feel about spoons?


Okay, so this has been debated endlessly on Mumsnet but I just wanted to take a wee poll of what we think about spoons?

As it happens I never spoon fed Babybear but that was largely because it wasn't necessary as she was wolfing down everything she could get her mitts on. I did give her yoghurt sometimes, and very occasionally she stuck her mouth onto the spoon before grabbing it off me, but generally speaking she has always torn any cutlery out of my hand before I could get it near her lips.

I was saying to someone the other day in the comments section, however, that the whole BLW thing is based on such a teensy study so I wouldn't recommend getting any knickers in a twist about using a spoon if it is done in a respectful way. And yes, I am well aware that my use of the word respectful is wanky...

I suppose I think that so long as you are respecting the child's boundaries, not persisting beyond a point where the child appears disinclined to eat, not employing stoopid distraction techniques or tricks and not doing anything that might be described by yourself or a dispassionate observer as shovelling - then what's the harm? Seems to me that the main thrust of BLW is about self-feeding rather than spoon-feeding, that's for sure, and that finger food should definitely make up the bulk of the baby's diet but a little bit of spoon-feeding isn't going to put an end to that, is it? Or is it? What do you all think?

Thinking about it, though, I reckon that the motivation to spoon-feed might also be important... I wonder if doing it 'because you're in a hurry to get your other children to school' would be counter to the BLW thinking, even if it is necessary to your happy family life? And should we evern be talking in terms of 'BLW thinking'? Or is it a philosophy? Or are they guidelines? Am I over-thinking this?

PS. I'm still over-thinking this and it's the next day...
I remember one of the first and most vicious arguments about puree vs BLW came about on Mumsnet after a woman had posted that her child had been enthusiastically self-feeding for a month or so and then had halted abruptly and was refusing to pick up any food. As I recall, my thoughts were along the lines of 'maybe he's teething or sickening for something' so just keep giving him the milk and offer food maybe once a day and see how that goes. Understandably, other people said (or kinda screamed) 'WHY DON'T YOU JUST SPOON-FEED?' because they felt that the baby was being somehow deprived. Which I really, really do not think was the case. So I suppose what I'm saying is... I don't have a problem with spoons until such times as your baby appears to be saying a straight no to food. I'm assuming no disability, by the way, as obviously that would make things different... although if they were getting limitless milk then presumably you would be able to spot the problem at some point in the first year. Hhhmm. Still thinking...

View Article  How many teeth did your baby have when you started BLW?
I'm asking because it seems like there is a perception that your baby must have teeth in order to chew. As far as I recall, Babybear's teeth hadn't started coming in when she started solids, although the two bottom ones appeared very soon after.

As it happens, when she is teething she tends to go through a period of non-eating (by which I mean no food apart from pesto, pasta and frozen peas - lord knows there would have to be something terribly wrong for her to she stop eating that).

However, once the teeth were beginning to cut I found that she enjoyed something quite tough like a big crust of bread or hunk of steak and I rather got the impression that this helped the teeth to break through.

To those of you just starting out, if you think about it the teeth are there already, they're just encased in gum. So it simply isn't the same as watching your granny struggle with a lamb chop, because by that time her teeth have gone.


 
View Article  Okay, I've kind of asked this before but it's not quite the same... what made you try BLW in the first place?
I'm wondering what it was that first attracted you to the idea of BLW and when you first heard of it, bearing in mind that it is still quite a weirdy thing to do.

I remember that I overheard my friends talking about an article in a baby magazine and caught the magic words 'no puree'. I have no idea why I was dreading weaning my baby so much, other than a morbid fear of being bossed about by women with big hair and 'systems', but when I got home and found Gill Rapley's Unicef page and Stefan's crazy Dutch website I was so relieved. I just knew that BLW was for us. Luckily my DH is an obliging fellow and agreed that we should give it a try.

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if it was all related to my struggle to breastfeed, and all those months of mix feeding and later formula feeding on demand? I was never able to answer the Health Visitor when she asked how much milk Babybear had taken, or how often she was feeding, as it wasn't something I paid much attention to. Because I felt that was at least mimicking demand breastfeeding, she just got what she wanted. (We are creating a monster, I know...)

Now bear in mind that I really am thinking about this for the first time, so don't hold me to any of this, but I think that what really clicked with me was the easy-oasyness of BLW. I loved the idea that I wouldn't have to stress about the amounts, and I loved that Babybear wouldn't have to start at 6 months on the dot if she didn't want to. It all just seemed to make so much sense...

Anyone else?



View Article  Administering medicine to a BLW baby?
Jeni's just asked about this on the comments bit and it is interesting as it may be the first time that some of us ever used a spoon - it was in our case. Babybear hated being given medicine, and always made a grab for the spoon, thus flinging the sticky pink contents all over the carpet, curtains and walls. (Do I sound bitter? Let's just say that the colour was just one of the reasons that I switched from Calpol to the blessedly clear Medised.)

I've found, through trial and error, that the best place to give her medicine is in the bath. Not great for antibiotics, granted, but for painkillers before bed it's not a bad place to start. It's less stressful as you don't care about spillage and I wonder if that transmits to the baby somehow?

Also, Babybear definitely prefers the deeper spoons (I can't remember what they came with, sorry) rather than the standard issue shallow graduated ones. And if I try to give it to her directly I get nowhere as she prefers to lean forward (while playing with Mr Ducky and pals) and schlurp it from the side of the spoon. It takes a few goes and she's had the lot. So that's as far as I've got, any other ideas gratefully received. Especially if you have worked out a way to get eye drops into them...
View Article  Vitamins... any thoughts?
I've been talking to a woman on Mumsnet whose dad is something of an expert in nutrition. A 'world expert', no less...

Anyway, she says that her dad is a real stickler for her and her baby taking a multivit every day, the thinking being that whatever they don't need will be excreted anyway so where's the harm? Optimum nutrition versus adequate nutrition and all that...

So I thought I'd buy some for Babybear to see what she thinks, and her answer so far has been 'take that weird orangey-flavoured stuff away from me'. I tried mixing it in to a yoghurt, but she knew immediately that I was trying to pull a fast one and stuffed her fist into the pot, sending the contents flying.

I'm still not sure she even needs them, to be honest, but I'm open to opinion. And then I need to ask if i can just go ahead and give her the chewy ones that say 'age 3 and up'?
View Article  So what happened when you started weaning?
There seem to be a lot of people starting off about now (welcome, ladies...) so I thought that if we could all rack our soggy memories for what we recall about the early days that might be a fun idea.

I'll start...

Urm.

She farted. Like, for the first time since she was very wee the farts seemed to go on for ever.

And the poos. They started to smell rather rank. But for Babybear, they still kept that newborn consistency for months and months. Plus the food did not dissolve for ages either. It was like watching the Generation Game conveyor belt in our house, with me and DH shouting 'oooh, carrot, carrot', 'grape skin', 'apricot skin' 'resuscitated sultana' etc etc. The fruit skins often go black, by the way, which is most unnerving. And then of course the 'oh jesuschrist, come quick, the baby's got worms' when she did her first banana poo.

Sorry to disappoint on this as well, but contrary to what every Health Visitor in the coutnry seems to think, her sleeping did Not Improve when she was weaned. It Got Worse. Having said that, she'd been sleeping all night since she was about 8 weeks old so we couldn't exactly have got better. It took a few weeks to readjust and then got fine again. Until she got to 10 months and her naps went a bit weird but that was because I was giving her food too close to bedtime I think, and her tummy was getting full of veg rather than yummy calorific, soporific milk.

Anything else? I'm sure I've forgotten loads...


View Article  What do you understand Baby Led Weaning to mean?
I'm asking this because on Mumsnet recently there have been endless threads about how people who do BLW are 'too rigid', 'pretend they are superior', 'aren't open-minded', don't actually respond to their childrens' perceived desire to be spoon fed etcetera etcetera. A lot of the discussion seems to centre around the term 'baby-led' specifically, which people (not BLWers) are interpreting as 'doing whatever method of feeding you think your baby wants, including spoon feeding if the baby has been spoon fed and preferred it'. Which is, to me at least, being 'baby-led' in the sense that everything you do is baby-led if you're a parent, but not Baby-Led Weaning as it relates to the research and the concept.

To be honest, I can't really be bothered getting into it on Mumsnet again, as it's all getting far too attritional but I'm interested in finding out what the term means to you lot. To me, it's simply a slightly cheesy descriptor for the concept of BLW, that you pretty much don't spoon feed, instead preferring to let the child pick up food and explore taste, weight and texture, eating what they want and then squdging the rest through their fingers if need be. And that as parents we don't panic that they're not getting enough food.

Because I've always been confident that milk would make up the bulk of DD's nutrition I've never spoon fed her, but that's not really an ideological stance against spoons, just a matter of having read the Rapley research and thought 'that seems to make sense to me, I'll give that a try' and then never feeling the need to spoon feed her as she was demonstrably capable of feeding herself.

So, what do you think? Am I being too irritable in thinking that it's ludicrous to get hung up on the BL of BLW, when it's quite clearly the concept that counts and not the name?