Without wishing to moan too much, I should perhaps point out that I had about ten days maternity leave before I had to attend to some of my work commitments... sometimes it's easier to do things yourself rather than have someone fill in for you.
However, I work from home so actually it's easy enough to work at night (although you will often find me skiving here or on Mumsnet). I fear that I'll have to access some childcare soon, however, as Babybear is dropping naps all over the shop. You'll know all about it when I do, I'm quite sure that there will be a suitably outraged 'you will not BELIEVE how much they are asking' post. But of course you probably will know...
So on that note, I asked the prolific and deeply lovely Dizzybint to write down her experiences of starting nursery and BLWing with Dizzybaby. She's happy to answer any questions that you might have, the darling woman.
"Dizzybaby started nursery at nearly 8 months old. She goes two afternoons a
week, from 1pm until 4.30pm and she's in a room with other babies aged 0 to
12 months. It's one of the big chain nurseries, and I have to say I went in
with the assumption that they wouldn't go for the whole BLW idea.
The chain had Annabel Karmel do all the menu plans, she's even been in person to DD's nursery to meet the chef and help him cook meals for a day. As you go in there is an enormous photo montage of her visit... a great selling point for most parents! I thought to myself 'well they are so not going to be up for BLW... are they?'
At the settling-in sessions the nursery nurse took all DD's details, how
much milk, what naps, etc etc... then the food questions came up. I'd
already flummoxed her by discussing expressed milk storage and Doidy cups and
a few other things so I though 'what the heck let's do the BLW chat too. So
it goes 'have you introduced lumps yet?' 'Well no, she has proper solid
food, we haven't done purees.' 'Right. so will you be starting purees
soon.' 'No we haven't done it that way, she just has normal food like we
have, no purees, no lumps, just normal food.' 'So she won't have purees she
just has finger food?' 'Yes, but it's anything really, not just finger foods
like bread sticks, she eats normal food, but with her hands.' 'Right.'
So she goes away to get the week's menu, shows me it's divided up into 3 types
of food; puree, mash, and toddler food. She says to me 'So basically you
want her to have toddler food?' 'YES!'
I then explained a few more things, about leaving her to do it herself, not
handing food to her, just put it on the table she'll eat if she wants to
eat, or not as the case may be. We go over the week ahead's menu to check
DD will be able to handle the food. If it's something really tricky then
the chef makes her sandwiches, it's very rare but happens now and again. And if
it's something new she hasn't had before I try her with it at home first.
So at tea time all the babies sit round the table with DD at the top. She
tucks in while the others are spoon fed, helped, handed food, coaxed etc
etc. DH picks her up and sometimes they're still having tea, he's sees how
they do it. I also spent the day there for a special 'take your Mummy to
nursery' event for Mother's Day last week, so I saw tea time and lunch
time then. They were giving bananas out to the babies that day. For DD they
just peeled it and handed the entire thing over whole. For the others they
chopped, mashed, squished, held it to their mouths, spooned it in, all kinds
of things. I think they must like that they don't have to 'do' much to feed DD.
I've had a very good experience of BLW at nursery. I don't think they know
it as BLW, they just see it as 'toddler food.' No big deal, less work for
them. The choking thing was never an issue, I'm happy that all the staff
have done first aid courses and could handle it if it happened, it's just as
likely to happen with one of the 4 year olds as my BLW 10-month-old. I see
DD as paving the way for all the other BLW babies who'll be joining the
nursery as I'm sure they will. I just hope the sight of an enormous Annabel
Karmel doesn't put BLW mums off the nursery!"
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How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
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Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
Minky goes to nursery one day a week from 11am-4pm. I provide her food. At the end of the day they report that she has eaten all her "finger food". It suits her and me and we haven't flummoxed them with new fangled concepts!
I can see why a nursery might be a bit confused with an 8 month old eating toddler food, but Babybear is a big, grown up toddler. Of course she will be eating toddler food! (Despite the fact I have seen 18 month olds being spoon fed purees.) Re: Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
true enough, although she does eat a lot more finger food than her pals who still enjoy a bit of spooning... i'm not so bothered about the nursery thing from a BLW perspective, just the blimmin' money. but every so often this subject comes up in the Comments section so I thought i'd make a proper space for it as it's a really interesting subject. (i think).
Re: Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
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dizzybint
on Thu 22 Mar 2007 07:54 GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
18 month olds being spoon fed purees?! goodness me i was shocked seeing 12 month olds being spoon fed purees. crikey.
Re: Re: Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
Babybear's 15 months, and many of her pals are a bit younger. i think the parents i know just find it quicker to spoon feed than to let them do it by themselves... which of course it is, because they've not had the practice.
Re: Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
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Carrie
on Sat 24 Mar 2007 22:48 GMT | Permanent Link
Ive had a varied experience with my nursery. DD is 7 and a half
months, started nursery and BLW at the same time at 6 months. They;d never heard of BLW so I gave them the Rapley guidelines which they seemed happy with (after first assuming I meant mashed toddler food??). Trouble was DD didnt eat a thing whilst at nursery. Every time I came to pick her up they were in a panic that she hadn't eaten anything all day. I kept reassuring them its ok, she hasnt got much of an appetite yet and isnt eating 3 meals a day at home yet. After 4 weeks of this I started to lose my nerve as a parent so suggested they try her with mashed food and I would tell them to switch back to finger foods once I was happy her appetite was up to it. We've had a couple of weeks of refusing to be spoonfed (shes 3 days at nursery) and now shes taking a bit. They seem really chuffed with themselves whereas Im slightly disappointed in myself that I didnt hold my nerve. We are still BLW the rest of the time including breakfast and dinner on the days shes at nursery so its only a couple of lunches a week. But Im looking forward to in a couple of weeks switching back to BLW with them when her appetite is a bit more consistent and hopefully DD will show them she is more than happy to scoff her food herself! Re: Re: Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
i'm sure that'll be fine. It's the gist, i think, that's important in the long run, given that the aim of any parent weaning their child in whatever manner is that they grow up with a good relationship to food. if you're impressing on the nursery that you don't want them to make a big fuss about her eating then as far as i'm concerned that's in keeping with the spirit of BLW. at least they've had conversations with you and they know the general idea, imagine if she had a wee appetite and had been refusing purees from the beginning? that would be more frustrating for the staff i'd have thought, and more likely to go tits-up with a determined baby.
Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
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Anonymous
on Wed 21 Mar 2007 21:18 GMT | Permanent Link
My 11 month old babba has been doing 4 days a week at nursery since Christmas. Her nursery have been really supportive of BLW. I spoke to the cook and she has taken on board everything I have said. Staff were worried at first that the Babba was not eating enough. Now they see her regulating her own food, and her belly growing round!! I give the nursery regular updated lists of new foods she has tried. Her fine motor skills are far better than her fellow 18 months old classmates, she doesn't cough and splutter over big chunks and she happily consumes most of her lunch with very little help. She is my independent young lady - I am sooooo proud.
Re: Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
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mummyteacher
on Thu 22 Mar 2007 17:37 GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
Hi all, finally posting rather than reading, waves madly,
Just to say when hulk (she's a girl and it's a long story) started nursery she was pre food and they had a bit of a hard time. "no spoons?" but she put them in their place by firmly clamping her mouth shut at every attempt, so stubborn, mummy so proud, that they bascially gave up and let us do our thing. she eats loads when she wants to and often not so much the funny thing is some how this has extended to letting her do what she likes totally at mealtimes, regularly when we get her, there she is surrounded by 13 other bibbed babies having their bits and bobs spooned where as she is given free reign with yoghurt and spoon and her bib is thrown to the floor "she won't wear it" hmmmmm she does at home??? hmmm just also to say i love the site and you made explaining to hulks daddy what blw was so much easier - he decided it must be amusing! Re: Re: Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
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fibernie
on Wed 11 Apr 2007 22:02 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
The kippetje started 2.5 days at nursery at the beginning of the year, and food has been quite tough. They had never heard of a baby not being fed before, and really struggled to get used to it. I never used the term BLW because I thought it best explained in the simplest terms possible).
Some days they'd proudly exclaim that she'd 'let us feed her!' and seem to think this was a huge developmental leap. It took some gentle persuading that her mum didn't think this was a step forward unless she was using the spoon herself! We eventually agreed on me keeping a food diary at home so I could show them the kind of things she eats. This worked well, and she now has a nap before lunch there, as we reckoned part of the reason for poor eating was more to do with being too tired! She's still the only one who feeds herself, and they love her because of it.... one parent came to look around the nursery and asked why they weren't feeding that little girl. They were very proud to say she managed fine without them thanks very much! Re: Re: Re: Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
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dizzybint
on Thu 12 Apr 2007 08:25 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
fantastic! it's great to hear so many nurseries are happy to go with the self feeding. i love the 'she let us feed her!' thing. sometimes i think some people find themselves almost ashamedly justifying their uptake of blw because their baby simply refused to be fed..as if it's some sort of a problem. glad to see your nursery are now understanding the idea of it all!
Thanks for the rice ideas!
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carrie
on Thu 22 Mar 2007 20:14 GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
Just wanted to say a quick thanks for everyone for the lovely what to do with rice ideas.
I am happy to say that we had great success today, I used some up some left over stir fry (containing rice, veg, meat, garlic, ginger, rice wine vinegar and soy sauce - just a touch promise!) and bound it with some beaten egg, bread crumbs, flour - oh and some organix rice cake crumbs when I ran out of bread crumbs - oh a mothers ingenuity!!! It was a bit of a mare at first getting it to bind together but finally it did and we shallow fried it in olive oil on each side.....and we can happily report that Xavier gobbled it up - which was a relief as the cuboard was rather bare. So thanks again - looking forward to the next attempt. Carriex Re: Thanks for the rice ideas!
by the way, with regards to reheating rice etc, i have heard some people say that you can get bad food poisoning from it. i personally don't leave it lying around the kitchen, always put it straight into the fridge etc, so i do reheat it. but some people say that even this is dangerous... so on your own heads be it. you have been warned. [wanders off, chomping on suppli]
Re: Re: Thanks for the rice ideas!
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cloviscat
on Fri 23 Mar 2007 07:43 GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
Can we post links in here?
The Food Standards Agency have a good straightforward explanation of this issue. If this doesn't work, try typing 'rice food poisoning reheat' into Google, but hopefully, here's something clickable: http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/asksam/keepingfoodsafe/asksamcooking/#A220063 Re: Re: Re: Thanks for the rice ideas!
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carrie
on Fri 23 Mar 2007 09:23 GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
Thanks for that link - i was having the same discussion with Xaviers dad on this - he was worried that i was giving him Samonella - but I felt that good sense prevailed - if it is stored in the fridge - reheated once only and reheated until piping hot then things would be fine...
Happy to report that Xavier is alive and kicking - in fact a little too much at 3am this morning! Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks for the rice ideas!
here it is as a link. i don't know if you see the same screen as i do, but there's a box with what looks like a metal chain link, and you highlight the text then click the box to add the link.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks for the rice ideas!
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cloviscat
on Sun 25 Mar 2007 11:33 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
:-( - No little link icon here - that must just be for BlogQueens, but at least it doesn't erase anything starting http or www, like some bloggy systems...
Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
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Anonymous
on Tue 03 Apr 2007 17:25 BST | Permanent Link
aitch/dizzy thanks for this one; dd has just started nursery this week and your post gave me the courage to expain very calmly (unusual for flustered old me!) what i would like them to do etc....and do you know what? they were great about it! went over a few things (like give her a weetabix as a biscuit?!?! and 'are you sure its ok if she doesnt eat much?) but were really helpful. she wont be eating there till next week but watch this space...
Re: Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
hurrah! well done you.
Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
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olivo
on Fri 13 Apr 2007 09:16 BST | Permanent Link
just wanted to add that i have successfully introduced dd's nursery to BLW! they have been really supportive (even when dd takes an hour for lunch!) and have said how they can see the logic in the whole idea! hurray!! am preparing for self spoon feeding this weekend...
so if anyone reading is wondering whether to ask their nursery to back them up with it, go for it!! Re: Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
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Quokka
on Tue 14 Aug 2007 09:33 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
I have just rung Fidget's childminder to arrange his first intro session this week. I had given her the Gill Rapley report and she said 'I've read it and it is so interesting, if I had another one I would do it that way' !!! So no problem there - that has gone a small way to relieveing my anxiety about leaving him.
Quokka Re: Re: Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
Is there a link to the full report on here somewhere? I think maybe handing that in would be a good start for Bruno's nursery...
Re: Re: Re: Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
this is the link co-written with Gill. try not to worry, remember, it's just playing at the moment, don't make it more important than it really is. and let him start now (in my humble opinion, anyway) if he wants to. keep off the gluten though.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
Thanks Aitch, I'll get cooking later in the week & add to the list of "play foods" when he turns 5 months at the weekend.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
i know of a couple of babies who started at 5 months or just before because they ate their siblings' food, i suppose it follows that not everyone is ready at the same time, just be super-careful about allergies.
Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
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Lin
on Tue 14 Aug 2007 11:38 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Just started settling Small in nursery. I'd talked through BLW and they had no problems at all - just put her straight on to the toddler menu.
They sat her down for lunch and one of the staff offered her some baked potato on a spoon to which she clenched her mouth shut and averted her face in disgust. I calmly explained that she wouldn't eat anything unless she'd fed herself so they gave her the spoon. "Oh no" says I " she uses her hands. She only tolerates yoghurt from a spoon." At which point, Small (having been intently watching the other kids) picks up the spoon, digs into her baked potato and feeds herself a huge chunk. Nursery staff regard me with mixture of condescension and triumph, Small is very self-satisfied and I slink off abashed to leave them all to it. Looks like cutlery training is taken care of as Small is succumbing to peer pressure already. Re: Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
Well Bruno will be just turning 6 months when we start our settling in - I'm nervous that they are going to watch me for a week!! Talk about performance pressure.
Anyway, I mentioned it briefly to the manager today that I wanted Bruno to do self feeding (easy than trying to explain BLW I thought) and so we were holding off, he's only munched on cucumber & banana (the first out of desperation for teething & the second 'cos he stole it from mummy!). She quickly changed the subject and won't be there when we start settling in (she's on holiday). Am now at a bit of a loss as to what to do next... He'll be mainly on milk still so I guess I could take a few trial things in and talk it through with his key worker. Re: How does one broach the subject of BLW with a nursery, then?
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