Because I do. I know that BLW is a mucky process when we start off, all the splash mats and porridge oats everywhere and all that stuff but over the last few months I've become increasingly convinced that Babybear is quite the neatest child in any cafe or restaurant that we find ourselves in.
We were out the other day and at the table next to us was a girl of the same age, and she created absolute havoc, flinging food in all directions. It wasn't just the lobbing, though, she also seemed so much less accurate with placing food in her mouth. But then, according to her father who apologised as he came to pick pizza cheese off our table, 'she's only been on finger food for a wee while'. I nodded and said, oh it's fine etc but Babybear's dad, whose parental politeness antennae are less finely-tuned than my own blurted 'Really? why?'
No reason, as it turned out, and truth be told it wasn't that bad, but it was interesting to watch her wreak the sort of havoc that Babybear used to when she was small. It was also interesting to note that the staff were less indulgent of an older child making a mess than they were of Babybear.
Anyway, without boasting (and yes I do realise that this blog isn't much more than an extended boast) I want to tell you that by about 15 months Babybear was very neat indeed with her food. Now, anything with tomato sauce still gets liberally smeared across her face but the point is that it no longer hits her clothes like an orange bomb. Spooning she's not bad at but a bit drippy with yoghurt and she enjoys stabbing pasta etc with her fork. We had to ditch plastic cutlery a long time ago as it's just not sharp enough.
Anyway, I'm interested to know what you think. Presumably everyone goes through a really mucky, yucky stage but are we fortunate in that we get it over with before their throwing arm gets really strong?
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Re: Do you think we're just getting the messy bit over quickly?
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Spingle
on Sat 07 Jul 2007 17:04 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
I wonder if later introduction of finger food is also a control issue? The child suddenly gets control of their food at an age where they "get" what control is, if you see what I mean, so what you can end up with is a behavioural issue, which BLW maybe bypasses. God, I hope so...
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Bigpud
on Sun 08 Jul 2007 13:02 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Based purely on observation now, as I'm still a BLWer-in-waiting as Pudding approaches 21 weeks.
My extremely neat freak spotless house ironing at midnight and cleaning even though she's got a paid cleaner mate has 3 kids who eat spotlessly then hold their hands up to mummy until a damp cloth is applied. On the other hand an extremely chaotic house is a tip toally disorganised mate has a kid who pebble dashes anything within hurling and smearing distance at every meal. (She once ruined a new rug at my place with cheese smearing antics. This was before I had a kid myself. Good job I'm not house proud and believe people are more important than things!) Sadly as my house teeters constantly on the brink of filthy midden I imagine that Pudding may end up to be more of a pebble-dash kid! Never mind, as long as she doesn't end up borderline eating disordered as I did due to food based traumas at 3 1/2 at the hands of private educators. Re: Re: Re: Do you think we're just getting the messy bit over quickly?
no, i can rule that out for you as i am not the neat freak type. in fact i have long resisted picking things up/wiping up until the final moment as a. it doesn't seem very BLW to be cleaning if they're still eating and b. i can't be bothered.
it's not about being neat, i think, i personally think it's a control thing as was previousl suggested and a skill thing, aquired over time. but either way i'm glad. Re: Do you think we're just getting the messy bit over quickly?
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Lin
on Sun 08 Jul 2007 18:53 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
I'm not so sure - I think the mess goes in waves. At first it was inadvertent, she was still so young that she was taken by surprise by her own arm-flailing. Then she worked out the whole food thing and we had a neat phase when everything got hoovered up.
Now she's a bit more savvy and the Deliberate Fling has arrived to demonstrate the end of the meal and the mess quotient has notched back up. I'm hoping for an out-growing of this phase but she is already starting to take an interest in spoons and wanting to do it herself so I can see that this is likely to be the next stage of the mess-fest. To me, looking at non-BLW babies, Small & I are just less fazed by the mess and so (I hope) aren't racking up any complexes for the future about "dirty" hands or "messy" foods. Not to say that puree weaned babies will automatically go on to have "issues"! However spoon fed babies do seem to have a spoon strike sooner or later and then they may have some catching up to do on the whole dexterity & texture-handling front. Re: Re: Do you think we're just getting the messy bit over quickly?
aaaaah, yes, i remember the Big Fling with almost no fondness... see we're beyond all that now. Do you think i'm just asking this question too early? Perhaps i should be canvassing mothers of 18-month-olds only? [snooty]
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MummyRed
on Mon 09 Jul 2007 23:03 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
I agree - Babyred has developed some recent deliberate bad habits (shaking water out of her beaker onto the highchair tray then splatting her hands into it; swiping leftover stuff onto the floor the second she is sated etc) and spoons are now demanded at an increasingly early stage of the meal.
As for coping with mess, I had friends over for lunch with their older toddlers last week - we had spinach and cream cheese pasta, which has the effect of turning Babyred into the Incredible Hulk in seconds, then gradually turning everything green within a 3 metre radius. My mates were horrified - one decided to spoon feed her 2.5 year old to avoid mess! As far as I am concerned, you make mess, you clear it up - BLW has made me quite chilled in that respect. Re: Do you think we're just getting the messy bit over quickly?
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Tinkerbelle's Mummy
on Sun 08 Jul 2007 22:41 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
I agree about the waves, we went through a "wasting food is a terrible sin" to "if Mummy doesn't want it, it goes on the floor!" I don't think there is much going in anymore and we are definately nursing more.
I was out one day and Tink was getting food down her, I tried to wipe it off, irritating her in the process (scowls). I suddenly thought 'What am I telling her? That her clothes are more important than her food?' I really don't want her growing up with that message, now I strip her off when I feed her and just let her get as messy as she wants, and I have got to say, that is when she is happiest eating. I think in general she is a lot less messy than other babies her age, she chooses to make a mess when she is in a playful mood, but when she is just eating she is quite tidy. Re: Do you think we're just getting the messy bit over quickly?
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Lin
on Mon 09 Jul 2007 09:14 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
And another thought has just occurred to me. Not only do we have the Big Fling but there is also the "Fill Up My Mouth With Water and Then Let My Jaw Hang Slackly So It Runs Down My Chin, Under The Edge of The Bib and Reaches My Waistband". Nothing to do with solids but probably the single biggest mess factor. AND its been going on for aaaaages....
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Rach
on Sat 21 Jul 2007 20:29 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Oh no the water dribbling carries on? I'm almost strangling chicken cheeks (Laura) with her bibs to prevent this.
We're at the stage that when presented with a plate of food, she will reach for the furthest bit , grab hold and then windscreen wiper the rest of the food from the plate, to the table and then to the floor. Is this a phase? Hope so, she's been doing it for a month! gah! Re: Re: Re: Do you think we're just getting the messy bit over quickly?
LOL, and this is why you only put a couple of bits of food on the plate at one time, in my opinion. Even with Babybear being 19 months old I serve up extra for myself and then give her about half of what i expect her to take so that it doesn't look too overwhelming.
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Rach
on Tue 24 Jul 2007 08:05 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Cunning..... We tried this last night and there was no windscreen wiper arms. Thankyou! The cat however was unimpressed, there was hardly any chicken on the floor for him lol.
Re: Do you think we're just getting the messy bit over quickly?
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hunkermunker
on Thu 16 Aug 2007 02:24 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
I think to some extent, yes, it's because babies realise that they'd better get the food in their mouth rather than pitch it across the room if they want to eat - there's no backup of mum or whoever spooning stuff in as well. So while they're getting the opportunity to play with their food and learn about texture, etc from the word go, they're also learning that Food Is For Eating Not Lobbing, m'kay?
But I also think that "mess" is an individual child thing. DS1 is the cleanest child in the world, completely naturally. He ate black cherries in a white top, bibless, when he was 16mo and there wasn't a mark on his top when he'd finished. I would have trouble doing that! DS2 is one of the muckiest, but getting MUCH better lately (he's 18mo). I have been utterly laid back with them both about mess, because I am utterly laid back about mess in general...! But DS2 seems to have taken me rather more literally than DS1, shall we say?! Re: Re: Do you think we're just getting the messy bit over quickly?
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Bigpud
on Thu 16 Aug 2007 12:27 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Speaking of messy; how much do other people worry about the hygiene in pubs and cafes when using high chairs?
Pudding likes to chew the straps sometimes to get a bit of extra goodnes, but sometimes they are absolutely rank and grey. I always give the tray a good wiping first and examine the seat for lumps of festering stuff left by previous occupants, but the webbing on the straps seems designed to hold mashed in food. Should I just not worry? God knows I harbour germs galore in my own hovel. Re: Re: Re: Do you think we're just getting the messy bit over quickly?
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Rach
on Thu 16 Aug 2007 18:06 BST | Profile | Permanent Link
Does it make me neurotic if I say I keep the Handysitt in the boot? It stays there with a pack of disposable bibs and antibac wipes for when we eat out. I know its clean, and I know Cheeky cheeks is comfortable in it. It also means she can continue to sit at the table with us.
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