Well I love my breadmaker! I prefer to use the dough programme (I'm no good at dough by myself) and then make bloomers and chelsea buns, and for Beeble - home-made breadsticks: cruchy ones, soft ones, all sorts of flavours: great for food on the move, by the way... (Off topic - quite right, Aitch: not that you're a bluestocking or anything...;-p It's been my standard web sig for almost 10 years. It was my friend's toddler's interpretation of my cat's name. Saki's Clovis is morally dodgy, elegant, a bit wicked and very sure of himself: it seemed just right for my tuxedo wearing half-Siamese... And no - I'm not a cat bore in real life...)